GTO Failure from the Goat's mouth...

[87LC2]

Originally Posted by red70goat

He still won't admit to trying to gouge the consumer by bastardizing a legendary name on a cheaply made generic car..... " We won't go into why it was overpriced"....C.mon Bob, the gig is up!

Basically he said the car should have been pushed harder on the west-coast where the Ricer-lovers could install LED curb feelers and 9" diameter exhaust tips. The car failed for all the reasons he stated.

Not a bad car....just named wrong, ugly and overpriced.

This site is like a Klan meeting for '04~'06 GTO's

My buddy has a 2005 Mustang and he likes my '06 goat more than the closed minded ones on this site. The more I visit here the more I want to flip off old Pontiacs I see on the road...j/k
If you don't like the car hit the bricks, this forum is for 2004 to 2006 chat, not uninformed hate mongering.

[dancolkate]

Originally Posted by 87LC2

This site is like a Klan meeting for '04~'06 GTO's

My buddy has a 2005 Mustang and he likes my '06 goat more than the closed minded ones on this site. The more I visit here the more I want to flip off old Pontiacs I see on the road...j/k
If you don't like the car hit the bricks, this forum is for 2004 to 2006 chat, not uninformed hate mongering.

I was responding to a video link that was posted. Even after the Big Poncho Chief admits the car was a failure, you are still defending it...unreal.

This is an open forum to discuss the 04-06 GTO.....good or bad....so GFY. Just because you are happy driving around in a Holden with a Chevy motor, that looks just like a Honda Accord, doesn't mean jack.

[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by dancolkate

I was responding to a video link that was posted. Even after the Big Poncho Chief admits the car was a failure, you are still defending it...unreal.

This is an open forum to discuss the 04-06 GTO.....good or bad....so GFY. Just because you are happy driving around in a Holden with a Chevy motor, that looks just like a Honda Accord, doesn't mean jack.

Dan, ever drive a new GTO? If not I suggest you do. Take one for a drive and then let us know what you think.

[dancolkate]

When the Monero first hit the US, I visited my local Pontiac dealer. Like many others, I was absolutely amazed that they weren't allowing test drives. I make plenty of money to buy one of those things. The dealers were treating them like some exotic that could only be driven by Italian F1 drivers. No thanks. Same thing happened to a friend of mine in TN, he owns his owns business and buys a new car every year...

Truth is, the car has a tried and true drive train. And EVERYTHING I've read indicates the interior is world class. Thats it.

BUT, the car is:

- A Holden...designed and built in Australia. For those import haters, it doesn't get any more imported than this.

- Ugly.....Eveytime I see one....I think ugly. This is my opinion.

- You say "priced wrong" haha...I say overpriced.

[87LC2]

Funny, I went looking for a blue one and went to a dealer that had two advertised. The dealer had a Cyclone Grey auto but no blue, I told the salesman I was looking for the blue they had in their add. He offered me a test drive knowing I was looking for a car they did not have. Maybe wanting to buy a car is different than just wanting to drive one.


Like I was saying...HATE:

This is an open forum to discuss the 04-06 GTO.....good or bad....so GFY.

I think I hear junk rusting

[dancolkate]

Originally Posted by 87LC2

Funny, I went looking for a blue one and went to a dealer that had two advertised. The dealer had a Cyclone Grey auto but no blue, I told the salesman I was looking for the blue they had in their add. He offered me a test drive knowing I was looking for a car they did not have. Maybe wanting to buy a car is different than just wanting to drive one.


Like I was saying...HATE:


I think I hear junk rusting

Selling your classic to afford the Monero I see. You belong on ls1.com with all the other Chevrolet guys.

[87LC2]

Originally Posted by dancolkate

Selling your classic to afford the Monero I see. You belong on ls1.com with all the other Chevrolet guys.

I own the Monaro, the 1969 GTO, and my 1987 Turbo T.
All three titles are in my safe, I owe nothing on any car.
I am keeping the Buick for obvious reasons, I bought it new, it gets 24 mpg on the highway, and it's gone 12.02 @ 113 mph with a tired trans.
I am keeping the Holden Monaro for obvious reasons, I bought it new, it gets 22 mpg on the highway, it handles like a slot car (for 3800lbs) and is the most comfortable GM car I've ever driven.
I am selling the '69 GTO for obvious reasons, I bought it pre-owned, it gets 14 mpg, and I don't like sitting in lawn chairs staring at my car at a cruise night/car show listening to '50's music making sure some assclown doesn't scratch my 38 year old antique.
I have only so much time and space to devote to my cars, one must go, the choice is simple.

[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by dancolkate

When the Monero first hit the US, I visited my local Pontiac dealer. Like many others, I was absolutely amazed that they weren't allowing test drives. I make plenty of money to buy one of those things. The dealers were treating them like some exotic that could only be driven by Italian F1 drivers. No thanks. Same thing happened to a friend of mine in TN, he owns his owns business and buys a new car every year...

Truth is, the car has a tried and true drive train. And EVERYTHING I've read indicates the interior is world class. Thats it.

BUT, the car is:

- A Holden...designed and built in Australia. For those import haters, it doesn't get any more imported than this.

- Ugly.....Eveytime I see one....I think ugly. This is my opinion.

- You say "priced wrong" haha...I say overpriced.

Well that was 2004...it's 2007 now. Go drive one. You do realize that Holden is as every part of GM as Pontiac is right? If that's the case, then you must have hated F-Bodies from 1993 on since they were "imports" built by GM of Canada.

Yup, you can have your opinion that it's ugly.

Yea, it was overpriced, but you can get one now for a decent price.

As I said, have you driven on?

[dancolkate]

Originally Posted by Mr_GTO

Well that was 2004...it's 2007 now. Go drive one. You do realize that Holden is as every part of GM as Pontiac is right? If that's the case, then you must have hated F-Bodies from 1993 on since they were "imports" built by GM of Canada.

Yup, you can have your opinion that it's ugly.

Yea, it was overpriced, but you can get one now for a decent price.

As I said, have you driven on?

I have been to the Holden plant a few years ago. Holden's relationship to GM is WILDLY different than Pontiacs relationship with GM. Trust me. Things are done very differently in AU and they run things "their way". There is a TOTALLY different perspective on life. And there is a TOTALLY different perspective in the manufacturing and automotive industry over there.

Ask yourself this question. Why is GM turning to AU for the GTO and the G8? The Zeta platform? Why is GM turning to AU?

The F-bodies were designed and engineered in the US. GM decided to assemble them in Canada. Totally different scenario....a poor analogy on your part.

Besides the engine, how much of the Holden Monero do you think was conceptualized, designed, or engineered by GM employees that live outside AU? the Monero was an Australian car. You cannot get away from that fact. GM imported an Australian car.

OK....I have a few hours Saturday and I'll go to the local GM dealer and ask if I can drive the Monero. I will do it.

[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by dancolkate

I have been to the Holden plant a few years ago. Holden's relationship to GM is WILDLY different than Pontiacs relationship with GM. Trust me. Things are done very differently in AU and they run things "their way". There is a TOTALLY different perspective on life. And there is a TOTALLY different perspective in the manufacturing and automotive industry over there.

Ask yourself this question. Why is GM turning to AU for the GTO and the G8? The Zeta platform? Why is GM turning to AU?

The F-bodies were designed and engineered in the US. GM decided to assemble them in Canada. Totally different scenario....a poor analogy on your part.

Besides the engine, how much of the Holden Monero do you think was conceptualized, designed, or engineered by GM employees that live outside AU? the Monero was an Australian car. You cannot get away from that fact. GM imported an Australian car.

OK....I have a few hours Saturday and I'll go to the local GM dealer and ask if I can drive the Monero. I will do it.

First off, learn how to spell the damn name, MONARO.
Really, what year were you there? Which plant? Was this BEFORE OR AFTER their affiliation with Pontiac?

No, not a poor anology, the GTO was the first step in a global platform sharing...in fact, the Monaro had Opel underpinnings.

Holden IS PART OF GM...you need to understand that fact. Go to GM.com and you'll find HOLDEN along with PONTIAC, CHEVY and BUICK on the pull down as far as sites go. HOLDEN IS GM.