[The Boss]

754 w/431 is $26.33

Why would that be inclusive?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I guess you saw I had to edit that last post a couple times, Boss.

I was calling it Teal instead of Alpine. And my subtotal I posted as 3988.55 instead of the correct 3985.55.

But the SOB is right. lol. Just letting you guys know I could REALLY use some Canadian "cigarettes" to help do this stuff.

Boss, #431 reads like it includes Frt Shoulder - (except on Convertible) - for $12.64.
For $9.48 - you just get front and rear custom/deluxe lap belts.

Might be one of those deals like the dual exhaust on the Bird. They just list it because it's going on there. But Billing knows what gets charged and what not (?) maybe. Like the double listed clock deal.

Fun - Huh ?

Looks like the 754 only becomes a charge option if applied on a convertible. They list 754 on hardtop so we know to add 12.64 for #431, instead of just 9.48.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Drop some more 68 RA GTO BH Cards on out here, boys and girls.

April May and June.

BlkBrd, your Black Bird sounds REALLY REALLY NICE. But I'm not doing anymore Birds for a while. Not qualified yet. May never be.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I just had to.
Went back and cleaned up the Ram2 Bird some more.

ramair2 and BlkBrd : When you go to scan your Order Form detail sheets - you can change it to "text" or "black-white" selection on scanner options - instead of "color" or "picture". This will lower the file size dramatically. Been there/done that.

There should be a third or even fourth sheet involved with the two sheets that ramair2 already posted.

I have never PHS'd a 68. But have done a few 67 GTO's. Using those 67 sheets I have found some more useful data for this Bird.

#568 is the Notchback seat.

#742 "should" concern differential - maybe optional gear (charge-no charge?). Sales code column 74 pertains to differentials in 1967. Would be on sheet #3 or #4.

#37P is still mysterious. But it (37P) also appears on BlkBrds Ram1. Since you both also have option #554 Custom in common, I'm guessing it has some pertinence to a detail involved with the Custom option. More than likely a non-charge item, like #375 on the Goats.

In all truth - I'm just guessing that 554 is Custom. 37P could be Custom. One of them is. They are both (554 - 37P) shared by yours and BlkBrd's both physically and on paper. You guys need to dig in a lil deeper and scoure those sheets.

#754 shoulder belts is only a "charge" item on Convertibles.


1968 Bird Ram2 4spd QQ/Blk Bench Custom-Deluxe

347 Ram Air .......................................blank
358 4spd Manual Close Ratio................184.31
361 STT HD Posi.................................63.19
37P ? ................................................. ?
383 (381 Rear Ant)...............................9.48
-----(382 AM pbutton)........................61.09
481 Dual Exh..................................(inclusive)
531 Soft Ray ALL................................30.54
554 Custom Option............................114.80
568 Notchback Bench..........................31.60
71M 72C Redlines.................................n/c
742 *concerning differential/gearing........n/c*
754 Shoulder Belts.........................(inclusive- on later hardtops -at the least)


Options total .............................. 495.01
Destination....................................83. 00
Base price..................................2666.00

Subtotal....................................3244.0 1

Ram Air II....................................747.77 (conforms with 4/29/68 bulletin)
(#345-400 option 273.83 + RamII 473.94 = 747.77)

Total.........................................3991 .78

Label price.................................4106.78

$115.00 is missing from this list. Plenty of room was left for Ram2 status though. : )

There could be a "MEMO-SPECIAL EQUIPMENT" involved with your Car. Or a price increase in base price. Just launching some possibilities.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

37 P/ 37P on the Birds and,
37 5/ 375 on the Goats

- is going to be for something common on GTO option or Fbird400 option. I'm thinking like lap belts, padded carpet, some kind of thing of that nature.

ALL the GTO's we've done have had it (37 5/ 375), at no charge.

#554 IS the Custom option on Birds.

[Cammer-6]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

I just had to.
Went back and cleaned up the Ram2 Bird some more.

ramair2 and BlkBrd : When you go to scan your Order Form detail sheets - you can change it to "text" or "black-white" selection on scanner options - instead of "color" or "picture". This will lower the file size dramatically. Been there/done that.

There should be a third or even fourth sheet involved with the two sheets that ramair2 already posted.

I have never PHS'd a 68. But have done a few 67 GTO's. Using those 67 sheets I have found some more useful data for this Bird.

#568 is the Notchback seat.

#742 "should" concern differential - maybe optional gear (charge-no charge?). Sales code column 74 pertains to differentials in 1967. Would be on sheet #3 or #4.

#37P is still mysterious. But it (37P) also appears on BlkBrds Ram1. Since you both also have option #554 Custom in common, I'm guessing it has some pertinence to a detail involved with the Custom option. More than likely a non-charge item, like #375 on the Goats.

In all truth - I'm just guessing that 554 is Custom. 37P could be Custom. One of them is. They are both (554 - 37P) shared by yours and BlkBrd's both physically and on paper. You guys need to dig in a lil deeper and scoure those sheets.

#754 shoulder belts is only a "charge" item on Convertibles.


1968 Bird Ram2 4spd QQ/Blk Bench Custom-Deluxe

347 Ram Air .......................................blank
358 4spd Manual Close Ratio................184.31
361 STT HD Posi.................................63.19
37P ? ................................................. ?
383 (381 Rear Ant)...............................9.48
-----(382 AM pbutton)........................61.09
481 Dual Exh..................................(inclusive)
531 Soft Ray ALL................................30.54
554 Custom Option............................114.80
568 Notchback Bench..........................31.60
71M 72C Redlines.................................n/c
742 *concerning differential/gearing........n/c*
754 Shoulder Belts.........................(inclusive- on later hardtops -at the least)


Options total .............................. 495.01
Destination....................................83. 00
Base price..................................2666.00

Subtotal....................................3244.0 1

Ram Air II....................................747.77 (conforms with 4/29/68 bulletin)
(#345-400 option 273.83 + RamII 473.94 = 747.77)

Total.........................................3991 .78

Label price.................................4106.78

$115.00 is missing from this list. Plenty of room was left for Ram2 status though. : )

There could be a "MEMO-SPECIAL EQUIPMENT" involved with your Car. Or a price increase in base price. Just launching some possibilities.

Only if you ordered the Protection group 322 was the shoulder belts a no cost item.
This group included door edge guards, front and rear mats ,rear window defogger ,spare tire cover,front and rear custom(deluxe) belts and shoulder belts. Cost was $58.38 for 22337 and $34.16 for 22367. Option 754 was a cost option in 2 forms with custom belts and without custom belts.Option 431 was custom belts for all models and price was $12.64 (except convert.),$9.48 for convertible.Rear shoulder belts were added for additional $26.33.Custom belts were not part of the custom trim option.
Ive got custom belts with shoulder belts in a stripped down model and standard belts with shoulder belts in a loaded up custom trim car.

[Cortezls6]

As the RAII bird info continues I just want to make mention that Mark Weymouth is going to be doing a Pure Stock bird for the Pure Stock Muscle Car drag racing scene. He dyno's his motors before reinstalling them. I think that info will be intriguing for any RAII guy as the debate if RAII vs RAIV has been a good topic.

Jim

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Cammer-6

Only if you ordered the Protection group 322 was the shoulder belts a no cost item.

hmm...I'll have to disagree in certain respects. I suppose you are only referencing belts in a Bird, hopefully and perhaps.

The BHC/Label Price dissection/Option Call Out sheets/Window Sticker verify otherwise on the GTO's.

ramair2's Bird call out sheets (highlighted order forms) list no charge or mention for shoulder belts either. Maybe it's a fluke, or maybe there is a break point.

Perhaps you can actually post some actual factory documentation, as in post your BHC for these Cars and I will dissect them. I do believe shoulder belts in hardtops "may" have been a charge in earlier built Cars. But not in any of these we have done so far. I stand to be corrected as far as Birds go, and welcome your BHC's. It may educate us further.

I read the arrangement in a totally different manner. And feel completely 100% confident about it concerning GTO's - at the least. The label price totals, PHS highlighted order forms and even the original window sticker we have from the Black RA1 GTO confirm Brians' and my science in use.

Please show me where the charge for the #754 option from the BHC is listed on this original window sticker (from same Car). It is obvious it has shoulder belts by the #754 on BHC and the 12.34 charge for upgrade to custom/deluxe belts. Where is the #754 front shoulder belt charge.

BlkBrd's Pre-January hardtop lists no 754. That may have been near a break point. I'd really rather see it in the actual math of a post-February built Car.

I realize the fact that we are dealing with two different type vehicles in this thread could easily cause confusion to some readers in some regards. Lets be specific and show all proofs, and state when something you are discussing is only related to one or the other - or both. It may be by accident, but you're clouding the issues.

Let me stress, I don't mind being corrected - but lets see the actual pertinent factory generated documentation from a post-February built Firebird first.

The post-February GTO is cut and dry, already.