[screamingchief]

Originally Posted by ponjohn

Truth be told, Cliff has reported his findings with fact.

Ok,lets consider the word fact for a moment John.

From wikipedia:
A fact is a pragmatic truth, a statement that can, at least in theory, be checked and confirmed. Facts are often contrasted with opinions and beliefs, statements which are held to be true, but are not amenable to pragmatic confirmation

One persons findings are relative to that persons perception of said given set of data.

Another fella looking at the same exact findings may come to another (or completely opposite) conclusion.

Facts are established when the outcome is consistently found by all others using the same set of data.

I got a feeling were not quite at the "fact" stage with regards to this topic.

We have all read Cliff's findings on the subject,and no doubt he is accurate with much of his data,and I actually respect his contributions on these topics myself.

Contrary to what many folks here seem to think.

Cliff himself included @ times.

I got no beef with Cliff,nor with any of his preferences or testing results,go back and look at what cam I recommended here.

But accepting his set of findings as "fact" does nothing to explain what others have found to be "fact" as well,those "other" facts being completely contrary to his own facts.

Both sets of "facts" cant be true,can they?

Truth be told,each individual here is depending on but one set of facts,the facts as they've seen them,that does'nt mean they're the only "facts" that count in this sorta discussion.

I can find ya'll plenty of similar (and documented) combos in the HPP shootout series or other members on here using that #60919 cam that have run nowhere near as well as Cliff's combos using that same cam have ran,so no,we cant quite say that the #60919 is a "magic" cam as a matter of "fact".

Does it run well in certain combos,yep sure does,no argument from me there.

But...

Just like the #60919,I can also find more than a few XE-274's combos out there that run extremely well too,just ask slowbird how well their old xe274 combo ran,IIRC that one got into the high 11's too,but again,there is a flip side on this cam as well,that is there are indeed combos out there that showed lackluster results with the xe-274 cam.

We could nit-pick this topic to death,and persoanlly I think we've just about done so @ this point.

Just like anything automotive performance oriented,there are success and disaster stories for just about any single given component out there,none necessarily more valid than the others,they are what they are,examples of how each worked in that specific combo,with that specific tuning.

There simply are no magic cams out there,they just dont exist.

Myself,I dont favor any one cam approach over the other,I tend to play with anything and everything as much as possible,IMHO that's how a fella learns this stuff.

One typically does'nt learn much of anything by doing the same thing over and over again,the same way time after time,all one learns from that approach is how all the "detail" items will add up to make even more gains with that combo.

But that's true with any combo,the more you work with it,the more power you'll find till you exhaust all areas of gain to be found in that combo.

A fella does'nt really learn much of anything by just going around and copying another fellas combo,as he often has no idea how to address all those "details" the first guy has found out about.

Might he achieve his goals,maybe yes,maybe no.

But this specific topic,damned if everytime it comes up,the same guys,take the same sides,and argue the same things,over and over time after time.

It's just getting really weak,,,last few "xe" threads I did'nt even bother commenting on...

I myself could care less,I'll use a 106° to 116° LSA,it really does'nt matter to me,I dont play favorites here.

I can adjust the other cam specs to get the cam pretty much where I want it regardless,now might that sacrafice some areas for other areas,yeah sure,but that's how cams work,they're all compromises.

And lets say a fella does'nt like the xe lobes...

Well,fine by me,then he should'nt use them,there are plenty other lobes out there to use.

Whatever the cam gripe,there are answers for them out there.

I dont have any beef with the xe lobes,do a search,I've recommended them in the past when the combo seemed right for them,and the one seeking advice/input wanted a simple recommendation.

I'll admit I'm not a rabid fan of xe lobes though,especially the flat hydraulic lobes,I just dont care for the noise they seem to make,if I wanted that,I'd just use a flat solid cam/lifters and call it a day.

But I dont despise them either.

Like everything,there is good and bad to be found if one looks hard enough.



(Was that diplomatic enough???)

Bret P.