[goatman65]

Being the owner of an unrestored,one owner 66 GTO,my dad bought it new,I have also had to listen to comments from the 'self-proclaimed' expertsas to what isn't correct or was changed by somebody..etc.I think he shouldn't have to prove anything to anybody.If the 'Olds experts' insist on seeing more 'proof' that the car was 'bought' equipped that way I say 'F' them.Unless he plans to sell it he doesn't need to proof anything to anybody.

[Father&Son73T/A]

Originally Posted by goatman65

Being the owner of an unrestored,one owner 66 GTO,my dad bought it new,I have also had to listen to comments from the 'self-proclaimed' expertsas to what isn't correct or was changed by somebody..etc.I think he shouldn't have to prove anything to anybody.If the 'Olds experts' insist on seeing more 'proof' that the car was 'bought' equipped that way I say 'F' them.Unless he plans to sell it he doesn't need to proof anything to anybody.

Yeah right,now go pour a tall one..............

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by goatman65

Being the owner of an unrestored,one owner 66 GTO,my dad bought it new,I have also had to listen to comments from the 'self-proclaimed' expertsas to what isn't correct or was changed by somebody..etc.

Ditto (...only mine's a '65).

I once had a guy at a show get in the car to see if it felt like it had "a 4800 mile seat"...

Originally Posted by goatman65

I think he shouldn't have to prove anything to anybody.If the 'Olds experts' insist on seeing more 'proof' that the car was 'bought' equipped that way I say 'F' them.Unless he plans to sell it he doesn't need to proof anything to anybody.

I've been told that before, too.

K

[mike nixon]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

Ditto (...only mine's a '65).

I once had a guy at a show get in the car to see if it felt like it had "a 4800 mile seat"...






I've been told that before, too.

K

Keith, I'd have asked that gentleman how he could descern what a 4600 mile seat felt like with a million mile ass!

Mike

[bird72]

I read a lot of the Forum stuff linked. An interesting story for sure and one helluva historical car to own. I also wouldn't want one, wait, front tire burnouts at car shows would be cool....

The experts were pretty funny, especially the one dude that wouldn't let up, even when car proved true, he had to go on and on about the poor wording and post by owner that led him down the path of bad mouthing owner and car.... ("It was his fault I was an ass" to paraphrase)

I find the experts here very helpful and out to share knowledge, but I could see something like that snowballing here also, maybe. I don't want the poster to recognize themselves so I will disguise the words, but recently here a poster went on and on about the correct stuff on an ebay car (I do find those threads great myself), fine points of this and that, all great info I'm sure. Then after his list of 30 incorrect things some so obscure I was amazed.... one of his last ones was how part X should have been painted. Well, if you know what zinc plating should be on a tiny fastner, shouldn't you know that a part as big as a breadbox should be painted or not???

[242177P]

Originally Posted by bird72

he had to go on and on about the poor wording and post by owner that led him down the path of bad mouthing owner and car....

Not going to stick my neck out too far, but a GM dealer is not the kind of place you pick up engineering prototypes. A conversion is a whole different story, and especially when bought directly from the Hurst Corporation... Just my 2 cents.

If I had a nickle for every outrageous claim I've heard... Sometimes there is some basis behind them, but in my experience the majority are nothing more than fantasy.

[bird72]

Originally Posted by 242177P

Not going to stick my neck out too far, but a GM dealer is not the kind of place you pick up engineering prototypes. A conversion is a whole different story, and especially when bought directly from the Hurst Corporation... Just my 2 cents.

If I had a nickle for every outrageous claim I've heard... Sometimes there is some basis behind them, but in my experience the majority are nothing more than fantasy.

well I do agree 100% with what you say also.... BTW, would you be interested in buying my NASCAR Ram Air heads?

[242177P]

Originally Posted by bird72

well I do agree 100% with what you say also.... BTW, would you be interested in buying my NASCAR Ram Air heads?

I've chased similar stories. Even if it's a very slim chance, any lead on tunnel port 303 stuff is worth pursuing - but when it turns out to be a 4.9 T/A with an opened up shaker...

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

I agree with you 98% - but I think you have to make an exception for Royal Pontiac.

Lots of interesting parts and cars flowed through that GM dealership.

K

Granted. I've never really considered Royal to be an ordinary dealer. A perfect example of something worth tracking would be the white 67 GTO (HO/auto) which they had. Without documentation, some might not realize the significance of this one. Connect the dots though...

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by 242177P

Not going to stick my neck out too far, but a GM dealer is not the kind of place you pick up engineering prototypes.

If I had a nickle for every outrageous claim I've heard... Sometimes there is some basis behind them, but in my experience the majority are nothing more than fantasy.

I agree with you 98% - but I think you have to make an exception for Royal Pontiac.

Lots of interesting parts and cars flowed through that GM dealership.

K

[MikeNoun]

I agree, except that some Pontiacs that were sent through PMD engineering made it to a dealership and were sold, and is stated as such on the invoice. Of course these aren't prototypes, BUT some prototypes and engineering cars WERE saved from the crusher. People need to understand the difference is between a prototype, a test car, and an engineering car. It's not always clear, and sometimes an engineering car becomes a test car, and sometimes an engineering car becomes a prototype.

Back to this 68 442 FWD - obviously, this 68 442 FWD car was a engineering exercise by Hurst, and it's a one-off car. After evaluation, this car MAY have been sold at a dealership, but as a used car. It would not have had anything to do with Oldsmobile Engineering, and there would be no warranty. Now because of Hurst's ties to Oldsmobile, I'm sure the story that the fellow gave that his relative claimed he "bought it at a dealership" may be true, and it may have actually have been at an Oldsmobile dealership, but it was a modified car and would not have had a GM warranty. In essence, this 68 442 FWD is a hot rod. It's a slightly different scenario when a dealership (such as Royal) drops a 428 into a 1968 GTO, because those cars still had warranties and were serviced as such. Or the earlier Yenko cars that had engines swapped, they were still warrantied by a dealership. This 68 FWD 442 is something that came out of the Hurst factory as a one-off. It did its job, Hurst received some ink in the media, and that was it. I'm sure the car was driven by a Hurst employee for some time in 1969 or 1970, and it probably ended up being traded in at a dealership later, perhaps an Olds dealer, but there are no ties to Oldsmobile.

Now what people have ignored through all this controversy is why would Hurst make a 68 442 into FWD? The only purpose I can see is, like I stated above, to get a little publicity for Hurst, and exploit the Oldsmobile FWD arrangement. Also, since Hurst was famous at that time for their wild all wheel drive "Hurst Hairy Olds" exhibition drag car, they wanted to promote the Oldsmobile FWD transaxle.

Now if Hurst had gone the extra step and removed the trans tunnel, that would make for a very interesting A-body interior!

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by mike nixon

Keith, I'd have asked that gentleman how he could descern what a 4600 mile seat felt like with a million mile ass!

Mike

LOL -

I'm usually pretty gracious, but after about 1/2 hour of this guy's "expertise" I told one of his buddies "...I think you better get that guy outta here!"....

K