[Gach]

The main problem with Eagle cast crank stuff is the quality of material...flip a coin coz you never know what your gettting..yes some have had good luck while others not so good luck.

Cliff R: I think has done a beautiful job on explaining his experiences with them.

Here's how I see it...( my opinion ) many of the Engine builders can't find good used stock Pontaic cranks, even when they do, they need work, 99% of the time they need turning...mag...balance. rod ends trun down to BBC, because 99% of the after market rods are sold with BBC rod ends. Once they become a dealer for these Eagle cranks they can put a kool $200.00 bucks in their pockets and not even have to tuche them...Nice !when one fails they have a miillion excuse why...so it's either your fault or the guy building you engine. Are they all bad...no!...but which one did you get.

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Gach. Quit making assumptions about engine builders. Now your slamming all Pontiac engine builders and no " Personal" experience with Eagle cranks except 2nd or 3rd hand info.

For someone that has built less then 5 engines in 50 years you sure ASSume alot.

[Gach]

Originally Posted by PONTIAC DUDE

Gach. Quit making assumptions about engine builders. Now your slamming all Pontiac engine builders and no " Personal" experience with Eagle cranks except 2nd or 3rd hand info.

For someone that has built less then 5 engines in 50 years you sure ASSume alot.

No not making assumptions at all..my opinion is base on others experience with Eagle cranks, and there's been many. Don't take my word for it...just give Larry's machine a call, ( 1-860 0 499-9112 ) he'll give you an ear full of what his customer had to deal with buying and Eagle crank from Butler. First one was sent back, the second crank was worse then the first. 4-5 things worng with both cranks..ended up taking $400 worth of material to balance it.

Not Bulter's fault..Butler had no control over who makes them or quality of material.
Butler is good people to deal with and tired to make good.

Ask Greg he's the owner of Larry's...what he thinks, I'm sure you'll get the same response Cliff R, and others have given.

PS: allot of these Eagle cranks where drop ship right to customers, not even touche
by vendors hands, quick $200.00 bucks in their pocket...not even having to pay shipping. Some Vendors will sell their mother to make a buck.

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Originally Posted by Gach

No not making assumptions at all..my opinion is base on others experience with Eagle cranks, and there's been many. Don't take my word for it...just give Larry's machine a call, ( 1-860 0 499-9112 ) he'll give you an ear full of what his customer had to deal with buying and Eagle crank from Butler. First one was sent back, the second crank was worse then the first. 4-5 things worng with both cranks..ended up taking $400 worth of material to balance it.

Not Bulter's fault..Butler had no control over who makes them or quality of material.
Butler is good people to deal with and tired to make good.

Ask Greg he's the owner of Larry's...what he thinks, I'm sure you'll get the same response Cliff R, and others have given.

PS: allot of these Eagle cranks where drop ship right to customers, not even touche
by vendors hands, quick $200.00 bucks in their pocket...not even having to pay shipping. Some Vendors will sell their mother to make a buck.

Thanks for the history lesson about all the problems when they first hit the market. Now do you have any recent data????

Machine shop I deal with says the Eagle cranks should be checked and some may need some refinishing done before installing but they are heads above the stock crank which takes more work and is still 40 years old.

[Gach]

Machine shop I deal with says the Eagle cranks should be checked and some may need some refinishing done before installing but they are heads above the stock crank which takes more work and is still 40 years old.

I don't have to....you just did. Buying a new crank then having to pay to have it refinish.
A crank that's question able if your making over 600 hp. No thanks think I'll just go with a steel crank and sleep at night.

[PONTIAC DUDE]

This shoulda been posted

Originally Posted by Gach;

The main problem with Eagle cast crank stuff is the quality of material...flip a coin coz you never know what your gettting..yes some have had good luck while others not so good luck.

Here's how I see it...( my opinion ) many of the Engine builders can't find good used stock Pontaic cranks, even when they do, they need work, 99% of the time they need turning...mag...balance. rod ends trun down to BBC, because 99% of the after market rods are sold with BBC rod ends. Are the Eagle cranks all bad...no!

insted of this;

Originally Posted by Gach

The main problem with Eagle cast crank stuff is the quality of material...flip a coin coz you never know what your gettting..yes some have had good luck while others not so good luck.

Cliff R: I think has done a beautiful job on explaining his experiences with them.

Here's how I see it...( my opinion ) many of the Engine builders can't find good used stock Pontaic cranks, even when they do, they need work, 99% of the time they need turning...mag...balance. rod ends trun down to BBC, because 99% of the after market rods are sold with BBC rod ends. Once they become a dealer for these Eagle cranks they can put a kool $200.00 bucks in their pockets and not even have to tuche them...Nice !when one fails they have a miillion excuse why...so it's either your fault or the guy building you engine. Are they all bad...no!...but which one did you get.

That's what you shoulda posted instead of getting off topic with vendor or company actions not relating to the application of the crankshaft itself