[t/a 79]

Sorry to hear about your troubles ahub. I recieved my tri y last fall ron has a great product. I can only imagin the problems with starting a buisness in this economy with credit problems on top of it. It has to be frustrating to wait that long,but I know ron is not out to con or cheat anyone. As far as your threat of legal action this would be a civil case at best I don,t see wear you would have any grounds/ability to initiate a criminal case in this situation. I am quite sure you will recieve your order in time as long as ron has the abillity to work.

[TUNNEL PORT]

ahud421,

I wrote this part of the first post simply just for this fact :

I purposly didn't want to mention any of this because of the basic fact that one or two guys would most likely panic & make more out of it than what it really was. So of course it would be best to do after everything was in place. Not to mention there wasn't much time for anything else anyway.

As you can see through your own records 6 months was way over exaggerated. It was nowhere near that & as stated in my 1st post a panic would most likely exaggerate things. This is in no way meant to down play your post Im just showing how easily things can get distorted without the intent to do so.

I gave you an update a long with the other two that had your model headers back on the 9th. You stated in a response a date in Feb to have the headers to you & I am clearly meeting that goal since I told you in the update PM that your sets would be 1st priority after set up. As I documented hear on PY the last issue was the fitting that was damaged. After help from PY members we narrowed it down & it was ordered although through a different carrier. This part is in route.

I started this thread to make sure everyone was up to date on the facts & they are ALL truthful. I obviously didn't post a copy of my unlawful detainer I received for the house I lost or any of the other things that it took to move everything to prove I didn't move because I just felt like it. I sincerely doubt it would prove to some that I have been truthful with this update thread. Once I have everyone caught up & I finally have my own set (for what I have no idea since its all sold for this) then thats it I'll be done & I don't think I will continue after that. Im sure I'll still get bash threads then too maybe for quiting go figure.

The fix on your pattern requires a different bend that I don't have in my pile of bends here that I bent up just before wrapping up the bender for transport. Otherwise I could just do it right now. Rest assured I am working on the bends I do have in the mean while for the headers they will fit. I made sure I got your pattern resolved just before I had to move. Even though the bender was already ready for transport.

[JC455]

Ron,
Sorry to hear about your troubles w/ stuff- it sucks! However, don't give up on the business (once you resolve all due orders)- you may find that leaving the (not so) Golden State will turn out to be a good thing. I think I know which state you moved to, and if so, there is a good chance that you can get some workers (for a reasonable rate) and make yourself a profit-- the whole point of business, right?
Keep your chin up!
As a side note- I show people my original set of Tri-Y's and the response is good. I hope to buy some more from you in the future. Think positive, buddy!

[455GRIN]

I have a set from the 1st batch. They are on the car and fit great on an auto firebird.

In Early Sept I send Ron money for another set. From my understanding the pattern has been updated to fit both the A-body and F-body, so I want a set for my 69 GTO.

It a bummer Ron had to move the shop, it seem like he was cranking out some headers and from our emails, I thought I would have them in November. Ron said my set was ready and waiting to go to the coaters...so hopefully I can get them soon.

Ron Check your PMs and email...ready for an update...thanks

[LoveGTOs]

I am interested in the tri-y design concept. How does it actually scavenge better than a 4 tube design, with equal length tubes? How does it tune at different rpm points? Mr Watt, are you taking new orders, or will you give up building headers? Please advise as to tube size for a 455 with [email protected] ft cam, heads flow 285 cfm, d-port, 3.42 gear,3600lbs. The car is rowdy, but streetable. I want all the torque i can possibly get, and if the tri-y is superior to the 4 tube in my configuration, let me know. Thanks

[aronhk_md]

The idea behind Tri-Y's is to increase scavenging effect, having a nearby cylinder help pull the gases from another as it passes the intersect joint where they connect. Same basic philosophy as happens with your miracle gro plant feeder. The feeder attaches to your hose, and there is a small ofifice connecting the feeder to the water supply. The moving water draws miracle gro out of the container.

Does this happen in our real world headers? It can. Especially on a chassis car if an experienced exhaust builder is building them......and there are probably a handful of those around the country. But truthfully the individual pipe lengths need to be specific to get this maximum effect, and OUR Tri-Y headers are designed more to FIT in a particular car with design parameters almost exclusively tailored to the fit.

Some may argue with me, but I feel that my new tri-Y's would not necessarily be worth HP over any other type of header with similar sized tubes. So if thats what you are looking for they may not be any better than what you have. None of us has yet had these on a dyno, and the right way to do that would be to do it side by side with other headers. Even then......you are most likely talking about a few HP difference.

BUT, the Tri-Y design DOES offer incredible clearance under a car like the 2nd gen firebirds. Other headers out there tend to get smashed on the road as time goes on because they hang too low.......a problem difficult to correct when you have 4 tubes trying to merge near the collector.

My car with its old Tri-Y's on it cleared the road very well. Considering it made 1064 hp with these old smaller tube diameter pipes at 1 and 5/8", I'd say I was pretty happy. Of course I have a turbo contributing.

[TUNNEL PORT]

Look what came in the mail today!



It has exactly the amount of threads to use all that were not damaged in the ram


Its installed now took about 10 min total, mostly because I was being careful since it had some resistance


Hose fittings in place & lined up, I still need to bleed the ram since there was maybe 1/2 gal of fluid that came out of it

[t/a 79]

glad to see you back together hope all else goes smooth

[gearbanger]

Ahub, if I was in you shape, and I am I would get a spare set of headers from someone, and get your car going. The headers you are getting from Ron are going to be much better than what you can buy with that money. It will cost you more money to get your money back and in the end you will have headers that don't fit and hang low.

I'm agree with you, but I am just saying, weigh the options and I think its best to not feed the lawyers.

[sphynx88]

Thanks for keeping us up to date Ron!

[aronhk_md]

Received my headers today. I do understand your frustration ahub. I do not believe Ron is trying to rip anyone off. Thats all I'll say.

[TUNNEL PORT]

Originally Posted by ahub421

who actually has gotten a pair of headers that are on their car that do fit and when???

To set the record straight so that your statement doesn't get out of control. There is "NO" header out there that I personally built that has a fitment issue for the 2nd gen birds/68-72 A-body's. No matter O-port, D-port or RAV's. Thats because I go the extra few minutes to check "EVERY" header on special test frames that are always positioned in my shop before they are boxed up. Even though my jigs that I had modified for them have't yet caused any fitment issue to date. I do it only because of a few fitting issues with a past header Co that cost me $1500 before they fessed up to it.

When I made the patterns for the 64-67 Abody's years ago it was done on a friends 67 Lemans I had at my 1st shop. They fit fine & only after I sent out all the O-ports I found that one collector barley touched the lip of the trans pan. The customer that told me about it said it was a non issue for him since he just bent the lip a tiny bit. I wanted it to be as perfect of a fit as possible so In the years since I have I had slightly changed the position of at tube & the angle of another to make sure the problem wouldn't happen once they were made again. I did this off the car & knew at some point I would be able to check them on a car. I never gotten another 64-67 A-body to check.

This is why the first person to get that style header was located 20min from me. Know full well that if there would be a problem I could easily fix the problem from such a short distance. Little did I know that it would take months for him to install them while I eagerly waited for any news. All the while I had gearbanger on my heals for them. I built a total of 4 sets & just before shipping them out I heard of the issue from that customer because he had just installed them. I arranged with SD421 to go help him through the work of installing a block, heads & trans into his GTO to fix the problem. He says 3-4 trips I think it was 4-5 trips but either way it was a 40mile round trip each time. The problem is fixed & is a much better design. As for the starter, a stock starter may fit but would be to close to last long at all & wouldn't be an easy R&R. So all sales will have a footnote stating that (its not at all uncommon for a header Co to list such fitment footnotes) a mini starter is required. At a later date when I get a 64-67' A-body at my shop I will make the necessary adjustments for a stock starter.