[SD421]

Originally Posted by Tenney

Thanks, Don!

Not sure the diameter of the headers, they're boxed up in the garage, but will check. Also uncertain re: when they were built.

Mr. Wangers said the car never had headers while it was with him, though (birth, thru end of August '64).

Yes, the car was cleaned-up and returned to Car and Driver specification by Scott Tiemann while I was looking after it. Paul Zazarine did an excellent write-up on this in the 12/08 issue of Muscle Car Enthusiast.

Wow, great info and thanks for sharing. I didnt realize that Zazzarine(RIP) did an article about it in Muscle Car Review. Ill have to get it as a backorder.
I do have another article that the car is featured in from MCR in which the writer says that the Goat was not in running condition and they had to push it around for the pictures.

Also, do you know if Milt actually stroked the original 428 in the late 80's? Just curious because thats what Milt says in his book.

Also, have you contacted Milt about the car or is that a very sore subject for him considering he figured Sherman would have notwithstanding his untimely death either given or at least sold the car to Milt for all he had done?

Thanks,
Don
BTW I saw the youtube video of you driving the Goat and boy it sounds & looks sweet! You can see the pride in Wangers as he walks near the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIBBa...feature=autofb

[Tenney]

Originally Posted by SD421

Wow, great info and thanks for sharing. I didnt realize that Zazzarine(RIP) did an article about it in Muscle Car Review. Ill have to get it as a backorder.
I do have another article that the car is featured in from MCR in which the writer says that the Goat was not in running condition and they had to push it around for the pictures.

Also, do you know if Milt actually stroked the original 428 in the late 80's? Just curious because thats what Milt says in his book.

Also, have you contacted Milt about the car or is that a very sore subject for him considering he figured Sherman would have notwithstanding his untimely death either given or at least sold the car to Milt for all he had done?

Thanks,
Don
BTW I saw the youtube video of you driving the Goat and boy it sounds & looks sweet! You can see the pride in Wangers as he walks near the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIBBa...feature=autofb

Yes, Don, we all got a little extra exercise that day!

I have a receipt that Mr. Sherman had kept from the initial install of the 428 circa 11/17/67 (signed by Milt). Per Paul Z., Milt and Bill went match racing in the late '80's. "'66GTO Jim" posted some cool pics of same. I have no reason to doubt the specs Milt shared in his book. Would make sense he built it up right around then, too.

I did attempt to contact Milt around the time the car came to me in '05. His son replied echoing your report. Though was fortunately able to meet Milt briefly in Dayton at the Co-Vention.

Thanks! That clip is from the Art Center. All credit for the look and racket due the feller strolling along side for bringing it to us in the first place, and Scott Tiemann for returning it to the way he recalled it in the beginning!

[SD421]

Originally Posted by Tenney

Yes, Don, we all got a little extra exercise that day!

I have a receipt that Mr. Sherman had kept from the initial install of the 428 circa 11/17/67 (signed by Milt). Per Paul Z., Milt and Bill went match racing in the late '80's. "'66GTO Jim" posted some cool pics of same. I have no reason to doubt the specs Milt shared in his book. Would make sense he built it up right around then, too.

I did attempt to contact Milt around the time the car came to me in '05. His son replied echoing your report. Though was fortunately able to meet Milt briefly in Dayton at the Co-Vention.

Thanks! That clip is from the Art Center. All credit for the look and racket due the feller strolling along side for bringing it to us in the first place, and Scott Tiemann for returning it to the way he recalled it in the beginning!

Wow, cool pic of the work order for the new motor. I read that theres a correct 421 HO in the Goat now? Did you keep the "428"?

Do you know if the cam in the 421 is correct for the year or is it a modern cam?

I think you did a great service to the Goat and to the Pontiac Community for restoring it back to how it would have been the day it was used for the testing in the C&D article.

BTW what size M&H cheater slicks were put on the car? I saw them on another website.
Thanks again for your sharing,

Don

[Tenney]

Originally Posted by SD421

Wow, cool pic of the work order for the new motor. I read that theres a correct 421 HO in the Goat now? Did you keep the "428"?

Do you know if the cam in the 421 is correct for the year or is it a modern cam?

I think you did a great service to the Goat and to the Pontiac Community for restoring it back to how it would have been the day it was used for the testing in the C&D article.

BTW what size M&H cheater slicks were put on the car? I saw them on another website.
Thanks again for your sharing,

Don

428's still handy, yes.

Current cam. Hydraulic. A custom Scott grind.

Thanks! The Milt stuff is pretty cool, for sure (and fun!), and have retained it all. The car had some rust issues - Scott did some killer metal work - and at that point it just seemed to make sense to return it to the way it was when it (and the Blue Car!) made its mark.

Luckily, a lot of stuff was there, so not much of a parts hunt. And kept much of it the way it was (seat still has a small cigarette burn or two!). Still has the 'ol hairline crack in the passenger side taillight, too!

Heads (not SD when it arrived, but w/ 2.02 intakes) and intake are correctly dated, so may be originals. As Tom mentioned, they'd been cleaned up nicely - and out-flowed a set of Ram Air IV heads on Scott's bench.

Really only needed to score a new block (and headliner, carpets, a driver's side quarter and driver's side floor pan!) - and Tom thankfully came through with the original differential (circa '64 4.33's in place - kept those.). 12-bolt/4.56 spool on the shelf, now.

8.00/8.50 - 14 slicks (I think that may be a Keith pic, btw!). 2" Milt headers.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by Tenney

Really only needed to score a new block (and headliner, carpets, a driver's side quarter and driver's side floor pan!) - and Tom thankfully came through with the original differential (circa '64 4.33's in place - kept those.). 12-bolt/4.56 spool on the shelf, now.

I was glad that I could return the original 4:33 gear and housing to you Tenney, for the car. It served its purpose under my car and I was careful with the rear-end vs the other ones I blew up as I know the Wanger's axle history. I really enjoyed the short you-tube video, the engine sounds really healthy. The only way a 64 GTO should sound.

Tom Vaught

[Tenney]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

I was glad that I could return the original 4:33 gear and housing to you Tenney, for the car. It served its purpose under my car and I was careful with the rear-end vs the other ones I blew up as I know the Wanger's axle history. I really enjoyed the short you-tube video, the engine sounds really healthy. The only way a 64 GTO should sound.

Tom Vaught

Might put a 3.90 back in at some point, Tom. 4.33's buzz the motor a bit on the highway, but they're pretty fun around town.

Credit Scott (Jim/Milt/Mr. DeLorean) for the engine ... Does run pretty well!

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by Tenney

Might put a 3.90 back in at some point, Tom. 4.33's buzz the motor a bit on the highway, but they're pretty fun around town.

Credit Scott (Jim/Milt/Mr. DeLorean) for the engine ... Does run pretty well!

Yep, the 3.90s do work better at 70 mph vs the 4.33 gears. Burn some gas with the 4.33 gears and a good engine. I burned 21 gallons going 150 miles Kalamazoo, Mi to Grosse Pointe, Mi one time. 7.1 mpg

Tom Vaught