[Larry Navarro]

Ron tried to call me on Sunday but I was out for the evening. I'm sure the call had to do with my remarks posted earlier.
I pose this question, If Ron needs funds from a NEW order to complete headers for the OLD orders, how long would one have to wait to receive the headers that were just paid for? Obviously, it seems like 2-3 weeks. Is this correct Aron?

[Ponchofan]

Originally Posted by Larry Navarro

I pose this question, If Ron needs funds from a NEW order to complete headers for the OLD orders, how long would one have to wait to receive the headers that were just paid for? Obviously, it seems like 2-3 weeks. Is this correct Aron?

What I've gotten from the comments made regarding new orders and old orders is that when someone places a brand new order for headers now, Ron takes the funds from that order and builds a set of headers for the customer that just placed the new order, and builds a set of headers for an old customer order. So, two sets of headers are being build per new order. The new buyer should only have a normal wait for hand-built headers, and a previous buyer (who could have been waiting as long as years for theirs) should get a set, too.

If I'm correct in what I believe is going on here, that's pretty impressive on Ron's part, in trying to make things right. I would have to think there's nothing left on the table regarding a profit. So, it's all labor on Ron's part to fulfill his obligations. You guys who've waited years definitely have a right to be a wits end for sure. But, it would appear Ron's stepped up as good as can be, and will eventually get ahead of this. Plus, I believe all the talk about there being something shady, or illegal would have to be silenced, because the current buyer would be getting what they paid for.

If I'm wrong in what I think is going on here, regarding payments and filled orders, forgive me. Then, I would look forward to being corrected in what I thought.

[gearbanger]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOO!!!!!!!

Hmmmhmmm.....I mean, this is good...this is very good news.

[sphynx88]

thanks for the updates Aron and congrats gearbanger!

[SD421]

Originally Posted by gearbanger

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOO!!!!!!!

Hmmmhmmm.....I mean, this is good...this is very good news.

Right on!!! And to think YOUR headers were at one point in MY Goat!!!

Everytime I spoke to Ron I would ask him, "Whats up with Gearbangers headers"?

Looks like Watt can be trusted afterall unlike some who love to "piss into the wind"!!

Don

[gearbanger]

I have never seen anyone stick to a project through as much adversity as Ron has on this one. I guarantee you that my wife would be long gone if I had rode this project as far as he has. Hell she almost killed me for losing $700!

[GTOLou]

Originally Posted by Ponchofan

What I've gotten from the comments made regarding new orders and old orders is that when someone places a brand new order for headers now, Ron takes the funds from that order and builds a set of headers for the customer that just placed the new order, and builds a set of headers for an old customer order. So, two sets of headers are being build per new order. The new buyer should only have a normal wait for hand-built headers, and a previous buyer (who could have been waiting as long as years for theirs) should get a set, too.

If I'm correct in what I believe is going on here, that's pretty impressive on Ron's part, in trying to make things right. I would have to think there's nothing left on the table regarding a profit. So, it's all labor on Ron's part to fulfill his obligations. You guys who've waited years definitely have a right to be a wits end for sure. But, it would appear Ron's stepped up as good as can be, and will eventually get ahead of this. Plus, I believe all the talk about there being something shady, or illegal would have to be silenced, because the current buyer would be getting what they paid for.

If I'm wrong in what I think is going on here, regarding payments and filled orders, forgive me. Then, I would look forward to being corrected in what I thought.

Kinda what I've figured too.

I wonder how many "old" orders have to be filled??

[aronhk_md]

Larry.......saying a 2-3 week period between placing an order right now and delivery is a blanket statement I cant make. Every order is going to be slightly different, and I know of instances where an order was filled in 1 week. Best bet is to get a shipping date from Ron himself. It may depend on what supplies he has in stock at that moment, and since money is still squeaky tight for him...the date may vary. I will say he is busting his ass though trying. He is seriously obsessed.

Ponchofan........you are almost correct in that the original idea was to make 1 set of old for 1 set of new. However, the reality has ended a bit differently. For example, there have been times when a new order was placed, some of the money went to overhead, there was enough to build the new order set but only enough after that to maybe purchase a bit of supplies toward an old order. Its a sad fact that Ron has struggled financially without income to make this happen. He has sold every last pontiac part he owned, and sold off almost everything else he possibly could to keep afloat and keep trying. So while I'd like to say it is a 1:1 ratio on orders completed.....it isnt.

Rest assured though that very soon more old orders will be pouring out since he has much needed tooling and supplies just arrived and also enroute.

GTOLou.........the 2ndary size on the 2" primary headers is 2 1/4". Plenty big considering the next fired cylinder in that bank feeding into the same collector only has to push one other previously exhausted cylinder's gas ahead of it. ALSO, the 2" headers have approximately the same tube to road clearance....in other words your oil pan is more at danger than the tubes. The horzontal portion of the tubes under the car and the collector on the 2" set is approximately even with the frame WHEN ASSEMBLED WITH THE OVAL 3.5" collectors. Obviously the round 3.5" collectors on these bigger sets would hang a little lower, but there should still be pleanty of clearance even for super low cars.

Roadrage David.........will try to respond to your PM as soon as I get some dinner

[TUNNEL PORT]

Hey Aron, I think you missed a set that went out in that post, but it don't matter

I only logged in to PM gearbanger his tracking # because I don't have an email for him at the moment. My laptop is getting fixed (I hope) so I can get my info off it. So I wasn't planning on posting because I would obviously rather be working. Also I wasted to long today in town getting some more tooling designs dropped off at the machine shop to make for me. These are designs for tooling like the ones I posted elsewhere that is saving me about 20x the work time to make that one tedious part & save twice the material. Its only possible because of the help from some sales & the help from some one that isn't trying to rip me off like the last guy. At least the time I spent at the machine shop today isn't all wasted from not working. It will rewarded later many times over in savings I get from it. You sure dont have to be some engineer to make the necessary tools needed, just the funds to do so. Just wish it would have happened last year when I tried to get help from Tin Tigr.

Gearbanger, my parents didn't raise a quitter. Although some would have liked me to quit long ago I don't feel bad about it . My wife is a great woman that knows how much this means to me & supports my intentions. Even through all the technical problems I had & most importantly through all the bashing.

I have a tool coming that will take so many problems away soon that my new help has in rout. That tool & the added workers that will be hear in just a few weeks. All this will allow me to do what I had posted here on this board back when Tin Tigr was pretending to help.

So you guys have seen in the last few weeks what happens when I have both genuine help & sales to move forward. I cant do it with just one of those two things or neither one at all. Although a few pros have stated differently LOL. Someone even mentioned it cant take more than $100 to do a set? Ha, ya, sure. Not trying to be disrespectful but just the consumable materials cutting disks, polish pads welding materials & gases take up most of that. Without even being the actual material the header is made with like tubing, flanges & collectors. Every new tool I add helps reduce those cost & is what I have always strived for. Truth is the more you by the cheaper it gets period!! Thats true in most all industries & wouldn't think it needed to be pointed out. I buy just a little here & there which makes it cost 5-7 times more just for the tubing alone. So one set sold barely covered the cost of that set + an old one. Im fixing that cost ratio with each step I take to improve my tooling among other things in the process. After all I would have still been a crook in some eyes if I even mentioned I really need to do 2 to 1 or 3 to one at times just to pay operating costs, hmmm like rent. I am going to be getting quantity pricing because I have a huge order coming next moth from SoCal.

Im sure this post wasn't good enough to answer all the posts but I type real slow. I'm going back to work now & let everyone get back to the bash fest & conspiracy theories on where the money went. I really cant see why I don't post more........ So don't take it bad for the gaps

Gearbanger check your PM box

[77TA]

I ordered a set from Ron via Email and PAYPAL for a set of 2" headers with 3.5 oval collectors. Ron told me about three weeks to get them done. I felt that was reasonable.
I was worried I've not heard back email wise but I see he had a computer issue.
So that was probably why.

[aronhk_md]

He has had limited computer time with often no computer access at home. 77TA........I know for a fact he was waiting for supplies on your headers. Again, if in the past you sent him money by paypal that money had to clear paypal which takes 4-5 business days, then he had to order parts (the 3.5" oval collectors for example.....you are only receiving the 2nd set of 2" headers being made...), those parts have to arrive and then be assembled. So while a 3 week time period seems fairly long when you look at it that way, it would have possibly been less if they were the 1.75 headers.