[Dr. Eric M. Schiffer]

The 1967 GTO on the left is the automatic Bobcat driven by Dick Jesse. The 1967 GTO on the right, with the engine hanging above it, is the 4 speed stick shift blue printed Bobcat driven by John "Cheater" Politzer, aka the 1966 GeeTo Mystery Tiger.

[SD421]

Originally Posted by Dr. Eric M. Schiffer

The 1967 GTO on the left is the automatic Bobcat driven by Dick Jesse. The 1967 GTO on the right, with the engine hanging above it, is the 4 speed stick shift blue printed Bobcat driven by John "Cheater" Politzer, aka the 1966 GeeTo Mystery Tiger.

So these are the two infamous GTO's mentioned in Wangers book?? Where they switched from the automatic to the stick and the passenger in the beaten Corvette said they had been "Had"??

Don

[Dr. Eric M. Schiffer]

Originally Posted by Dr. Eric M. Schiffer

The 1967 GTO on the left is the automatic Bobcat driven by Dick Jesse. The 1967 GTO on the right, with the engine hanging above it, is the 4 speed stick shift blue printed Bobcat driven by John "Cheater" Politzer, aka the 1966 GeeTo Mystery Tiger.

Here is a February 1967 "Car Craft" Magazine artcle with a blue "stock"1967 Ram Air GTO and a white with black vinyl top, Hurst wheels GTO. One would think there is only ONE white car! LOL

The two white GTO switch was done in the fall 1966. Before all the magazine articles hit the stands...LOL

I want you to note that is Sid Warren, in black shirt taking all of the measurments. Deck hieght, valve spring height, and cc volume of the head. Milt works the distributor machine and pushs (?) a valve into a head.

Dave Warren works on the suspenion and posts the fastest quarter mile times.

Credit needs to go were it is properly due!

[SD421]

Dr Schiffer,

Thanks again for posting these articles and commenting on them.

I wonder why Wangers/Royal wasnt slipping in the 428 for these tests and passing them off as a 400??

Was it by then the magazines were becoming suspicious or that once someone had their GTO bobcatted it still would not be generating the #'s like in the magazine?

If these GTO's (like the white 1967 GTO), are being tested for the magazines and then doing actual street duty on Woodward later that night, wouldnt you want the "more powerfulr" engine of the two or was the idea to beat someone but not too bad since the whole idea of street racing was to get people into Royal to buy a GTO?

Don

[Dr. Eric M. Schiffer]

Originally Posted by SD421

Dr Schiffer,

Thanks again for posting these articles and commenting on them.

I wonder why Wangers/Royal wasnt slipping in the 428 for these tests and passing them off as a 400??

Was it by then the magazines were becoming suspicious or that once someone had their GTO bobcatted it still would not be generating the #'s like in the magazine?

If these GTO's (like the white 1967 GTO), are being tested for the magazines and then doing actual street duty on Woodward later that night, wouldnt you want the "more powerfulr" engine of the two or was the idea to beat someone but not too bad since the whole idea of street racing was to get people into Royal to buy a GTO?

Don

Well, Don, That is an interesting observation..LOL I don't have the magazine. But you need to locate "Car and Driver" January 1969. The article is entitled; "Comparison Road Test Six Econo-Racers' Chevelle SS396, Cobra, Cyclone CJ, Hemi Road Runner, Super Bee, The Judge".

You will find our friendly 1969 Judge that was once the Lime Light Green GTO with the white interior in the mix of things. "Car and Driver" would not post the performance of the car. They just comented to "see text". You must read the text...LOL

"Car and Driver re-printed this tests in a book they released in 2008 called, "Car and Driver American Road Warriors, Classic Muscle Cars" It has a red 1964 GTO convertible front end looking at you.

After all it took how many years for it to be come public about the 1964 GTO Car and Driver test.

It is a good read.

[muscle_collector]

eric, thanks for taking the time to post all of this. out ouf curiosity, what type of doctor are you?

[Dr. Eric M. Schiffer]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

eric, thanks for taking the time to post all of this. out ouf curiosity, what type of doctor are you?

A Damn Good one!.... LOL A Chiropractic Physician. Don't ask. Ahhh I'll tell you any ways so you understand some of it...

With all of the math, mechanical drafting classes from 8th grade through 11th grade I took. Plus add to it starting with the General Motor Craftsman Guide competiton in 9th grade for a GMI scholarship. I had plans to going to either GMI or Lawrence Tech.

My estranged father was an engineer for Packard and then Chrysler. Later consulted to mfg's around the world.

Step father, (from the time I was 10) his father and four uncles owned four scrap yards along a mile of Dort Hwy in Flint. My Step dad and grand father won several contracts with Fisher Body, Buick, Chevrolet, AC and GM Turnsted.

After my grand father died and step father sold their yard to the uncles. He started supplying the auto parts stores around Detroit and suburbs including Flint and Pontiac. He bought a few stores along the way with machine shops. Including one on Woodward. We supplied others along Woodward too.

It was at the customers' stores I'd build my cars so my Dad did know about then until they were done...LOL. My step dad was too close a freinds with the guys at Berkley Auto Electric. They campained a '57 Vette and where almost next door to Booth and Aaron's. They would bug my step dad to have me bring by my '57 Vette.

Another uncle owned a tire store on 8 Mile off Woodward.

I'd stop by several of the near by dealerships in Royal Oak including Royal Pontiac periodically. For a while in high school I only lived in Royal Oak Township approx. three miles from Ace Wilson's. But when not doing homework I was out on Woodward with my friends. Woodward was approx. a mile and a half from the house.

I had friends who's fathers where engineers or tier one suppliers to the industry. Their dads brought home the latest and greatest advance engineering stuff and limited production cars for us to take out and drive. We had a ball racing.

While in college we moved 15 minutes away from Woodward to West Bloomfield. It was just a quick shot down Maple RD (15 MIle Rd) through Birmingham onto Woodward.

My step dad wanted to send me to Northwood Institute to learn the automotive dealership trade. I rebelled blow off engineering too. I did not like the sight of blood. I almost passed out while observing surgery at one of my parents friends offices. So I ended up as a chiropractor. I thought at least as a doctor and the family owning auto parts stores, scrap yards and a tire store I'd get discounts on parts and machine work plus have enough money to afford my hobby. Ask me how that has worked out for me...LOL

So I approach every pateint with a technical evaluation of their body mechanics. I measure every x-ray segment, pateints range of motion and run a computer Surface EMG.

I have been very lucky having grown up around the industry. I have been on a few evaluation and focus groups for automotive advance planing through the years. I got the opportunity to meet many industry leaders, icons and the regular guy on the line by growing up with them, through my step dad's auto parts buisness, my office, the hobby or my community involvment. It has been a great ride!