[Dr. Eric M. Schiffer]

Originally Posted by goatman65

I want the Royal plate on your 68.lol.
Is that an original from 'back in the day'?

My word whatever are you talking about? Why would anyone ever want some old front plate? A plate that most people did not even notice when it was on the front of test cars even when they were a magazine cover back in the day.

You'll have to look closely at the back cover of the 1968 Royal Pontiac Catalogue on the bottom you will see two '68 GTOs. They both have the Royal Pontiac front license plate and frame on them.

Also look closely and you will see the front plate on both my '68 GTO and Firebird "Black Bird" as they flank Jim Wangers '69 Judge.

Heck, enlarge the photo next to my name. The black bird has one on it at the strip. It was on a magazine and in a few books with that plate on it. Early on I first had a personalized plate 1BLKBRD then I had a 1968 Manufactures (M) plate on the car which required a front and rear plate. The GTO having a 1968 Dealer (D) plate only required the rear plate. That is why some of the Pontiac from Royal had two plates and others had only one.

The factores used to and still do use regular Michigan plates. In the old days they used to be creative and get the first two then later first three letters GM, CH or CHY and FD. Now it is just non discript plates.
LOL

[SD421]

Originally Posted by Dr. Eric M. Schiffer

My word whatever are you talking about? Why would anyone ever want some old front plate? A plate that most people did not even notice when it was on the front of test cars even when they were a magazine cover back in the day.

You'll have to look closely at the back cover of the 1968 Royal Pontiac Catalogue on the bottom you will see two '68 GTOs. They both have the Royal Pontiac front license plate and frame on them.

Also look closely and you will see the front plate on both my '68 GTO and Firebird "Black Bird" as they flank Jim Wangers '69 Judge.

Heck, enlarge the photo next to my name. The black bird has one on it at the strip. It was on a magazine and in a few books with that plate on it. Early on I first had a personalized plate 1BLKBRD then I had a 1968 Manufactures (M) plate on the car which required a front and rear plate. The GTO having a 1968 Dealer (D) plate only required the rear plate. That is why some of the Pontiac from Royal had two plates and others had only one.

The factores used to and still do use regular Michigan plates. In the old days they used to be creative and get the first two then later first three letters GM, CH or CHY and FD. Now it is just non discript plates.
LOL

This must be the cover shot Milt talks about in his book, where he backed the Bird up while the tide went out. He's laying down inside the front seat. Wonder why they lost oil pressure during the testing.

Don

[muscle_collector]

did you know bill knafel personally?

[Dr. Eric M. Schiffer]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

did you know bill knafel personally?

Sorry, I was only introduced to him by Jim Wangers at Norwalk several year ago when he was driven by Jim's tent.

[Dr. Eric M. Schiffer]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

did you know bill knafel personally?

While I was only introduced to Mr. Knafel I do have the 1966 Drag Strip Tin Indian promo kit that was sent to all the top drag strips around the country.

I'm only going to attach a part of the contract and narrowed the page so some things are cut off. That is because I'm sure there is going to be some 'Judge" guy that likes selling bogus "Ace Wilson" stuff on ebay, in Hemmings and other places. Who will try to duplicate this stuff to without authorization. Isn't that right, Robert!

Don,
Notice that the TIn Indian team was also a 1966 National Champion with those heavy Hurst wheels.
Hurst was a sponsor of the Tin Indian Team too.

[SD421]

Originally Posted by Dr. Eric M. Schiffer

While I was only introduced to Mr. Knafel I do have the 1966 Drag Strip Tin Indian promo kit that was sent to all the top drag strips around the country.

I'm only going to attach a part of the contract and narrowed the page so some things are cut off. That is because I'm sure there is going to be some 'Judge" guy that likes selling bogus "Ace Wilson" stuff on ebay, in Hemmings and other places. Who will try to duplicate this stuff to without authorization. Isn't that right, Robert!

Don,
Notice that the TIn Indian team was also a 1966 National Champion with those heavy Hurst wheels.
Hurst was a sponsor of the Tin Indian Team too.

The contract talks about racing in NHRA but I read in a certain book that they only raced in AHRA??

Any insight Dr. Schiffer?

Don

[Dr. Eric M. Schiffer]

Originally Posted by SD421

The contract talks about racing in NHRA but I read in a certain book that they only raced in AHRA??

Any insight Dr. Schiffer?

Don

Don,
I don't know what book you read. But if you look at the quarter panels at the top edge of both cars it say's:

"1966 NHRA & N.A.S.C.A.R Junior Eliminator and NAT. Champion"

The contract you are reading has another page to it, that I'm not going to publish, but it is basicly a winter tour contract.

Eric

[SD421]

Originally Posted by SD421

This must be the cover shot Milt talks about in his book, where he backed the Bird up while the tide went out. He's laying down inside the front seat. Wonder why they lost oil pressure during the testing.

Don

Looked back thru Milt's book and he says the check ball in the oil pump got stuck.
I should probably look next time I ask a question. lol
Don