[giddygoat]

Theres a 7.3 Ford in southern MN that the owner claims is over 900,000 miles and going for 1m on the original engine... Its a two wheel drive, the owner runs an over the road service. Take a look at the for sale ads on these trucks, not many chev 3/4 or 1 tons listed to begin with, lot of Fords, most with 150,000 to 300,000 miles on the clock, they are not setting in the shed.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by giddygoat

Take a look at the for sale ads on these trucks, not many chev 3/4 or 1 tons listed to begin with, lot of Fords, most with 150,000 to 300,000 miles on the clock, they are not setting in the shed.

That's one theory.

Another is that the Chevy owners are happy with their "longest lasting, most dependable trucks" and are still using them. The Ford owners are tired of Fixing Or Reparing Daily...

What we do know for a fact is that there are more Chevy's still registered than Fords over the last 30 years - despite the fact that Ford built more trucks.

Which clearly means that more Fords end up in the scrap yard sooner than Chevys.

[68gtoMN]

Originally Posted by The Champ

That's one theory.

Another is that the Chevy owners are happy with their "longest lasting, most dependable trucks" and are still using them. The Ford owners are tired of Fixing Or Reparing Daily...

What we do know for a fact is that there are more Chevy's still registered than Fords over the last 30 years [cite your source for this "fact"] - despite the fact that Ford built more trucks.

Originally Posted by The Champ

Which clearly means that more Fords end up in the scrap yard sooner than Chevys.

No, it only means that there are more registrations. If you had any training in statistical analysis (yes, I do), you would know that the conclusion you arrive at is indefensible. You have an illogical syllogism at best.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by 68gtoMN

No, it only means that there are more registrations. If you had any training in statistical analysis (yes, I do), you would know that the conclusion you arrive at is indefensible. You have an illogical syllogism at best.

If a truck is not registered, it can not be legally operated on public roads. Ford has already admitted that Chevy has more registrations. It's an accepted fact that Ford built more trucks.

So, while you claim that I have made an illogical syllogism, you have no form of statistical analysis to validate your claim (and Ford's) that Ford has more trucks over 250,000 miles.

Although you tried to claim that the vehicle's registration would document the mileage and prove this assumption, it was a claim that was very easy to discredit, and more of an illogical syllogism than I have made here.

[68gtoMN]

Originally Posted by The Champ

If a truck is not registered, it can not be legally operated on public roads. Ford has already admitted that Chevy has more registrations. It's an accepted fact that Ford built more trucks.

So, while you claim that I have made an illogical syllogism, you have no form of statistical analysis to validate your claim (and Ford's) that Ford has more trucks over 250,000 miles.

Although you tried to claim that the vehicle's registration would document the mileage and prove this assumption, it was a claim that was very easy to discredit, and more of an illogical syllogism than I have made here.

Perhaps the registration does not carry the mileage. I concede the point. However, the title would and it would be possible to perform such a search, although difficult. Ford has admitted that Chevy has more registrations? OK - please provide a link to this information for all to see. It might be true or it might just be a claim - we'll know when we see your proof. Remember, the burden of proof rests with the party making the claim. I will refrain from repeating Ford's claim of more vehicle with more than 200,000 miles as I do not readily have access to this data.

Now to examine your conclusions based on "thin evidence" - here's where you fail.

Having more registrations = being more dependable. Really?

• Where is your empirical evidence to support this claim?
• How is "more dependable" defined here?
• What is the criteria on which this claim is made?
• Are you separating consumer use from industrial/commercial use?

With 40 percent market share, Ford is America’s commercial truck leader

http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=29958
Ford has, by a HUGE margin, the highest percentage of ambulance (van chassis) market and has continued to update the vehicles vs. only slight revisions from the 1995 Chevy redesign

But let's again examine the claim of "longest lasting" and "most dependable". Neither can be proven by registrations alone without major assumptions; hence, the questions above.

• How were trucks used - purpose for purchase?
• What is the average mileage of each brand of consumer/commercial truck?
• Does having more registrations equate to more dependable? That's much too great a reach. E.g. if a Chevy owner drives less miles per year, he will theoretically have a longer "assumed life" for the vehicle. Does that make it more dependable?

Back to original debate about engines - how does the new Ecoboost engine from Ford stack up against the established large displacement engines of the others? Quite well, I believe. Equal or better total power, higher usable torque available sooner in RPM range and across wider RPM range, higher payload rating, higher towing rating, smaller, lighter package, great fuel economy without sacrificing "working nature" of truck. In all, Ford did a great job and I salute them.

If you like a Chevy better - keep buying them. Again, this is YOUR liking, your money and your decision. The Ecoboost engine family, however, is a technological Tour De Force.