[big hammer]

Originally Posted by 68gtoMN

Well there, Big Idiot, I believe you will soon be eating your words. Unlike the ZL1 (fake) testing, the 2013 Shelby is said to run 11.7 or better @125+ using FACTORY tires (not drag radials to reach 11.9 which, according to Chevrolet, is "deep into the 11's"). LOLOLOLOL

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/21/2...iew/#continued

Base price is $54,200 vs. $54,995 for the ZL1. However, it can be priced up to $63,000 (including delivery fee) with all of the options checked. so in this case, the ZL1 offers some value as it comes with some of the Shelby's options as standard. Still not apples to apples, but worth mentioning. One other thing, the HP is now officially 662!

I can't wait to see them in the magazine comparisons. For now, however, I'll relish the fact that you are a blowhard - comment has little to do with your liking a Camaro)

edmunds ran a 12.2 @ 121 with the '13 gt500.

and to get a similarily equipped gt500 with track ready suspension is around 10 grand more than the zl1.

i do like that ford gives you the option of taking the track ready suspension or not. but given how out dated they are i am willing to bet that most people will opt for not.

[68gtoMN]

Originally Posted by big hammer

edmunds ran a 12.2 @ 121 with the '13 gt500.

and to get a similarily equipped gt500 with track ready suspension is around 10 grand more than the zl1.

i do like that ford gives you the option of taking the track ready suspension or not. but given how out dated they are i am willing to bet that most people will opt for not.

Edmonds has run the 2013 GT500 already? Hmmmm...interesting that this was the same time mentioned by the autoblog journalists in the link I posted - on their first time out. Unlike the chevy ZL1 video with factory drivers... LOL Regardless, for a 1st time run by journalists who are not hotshoes...that's impressive. Remember, you can't compare a chevy documentary, with chevy drivers and support, running on drag radials to a solitary journalist report with one run.

Secondly, while the GT500 can be kitted up all the way to more than $65K, the closest comparison to the ZL1 (performance equipment equivalent with track suspension, that is - you can check the gt500 configurator yourself) shows the Shelby running $58,490 (including destination) or, roughly, $3,500 more. That's 82 HP and 75 lb/ft more than the chevy for $3,500. Adding the track package ($2,995)brings external coolers and pumps for several systems that the Chevy does not offer; therefore, it's not germane to the discussion.

I believe the Camaro to be quite a potent package. I'm pleased to see chevy offer such a car. It is my opinion that the Mustang is a better looking car and, at this point, I am speculating that it will deliver vastly better straight-line results. We'll have to wait to see how well it drives on the track...

[bigunde]

Originally Posted by 68gtoMN

Edmonds has run the 2013 GT500 already? Hmmmm...interesting that this was the same time mentioned by the autoblog journalists in the link I posted - on their first time out. Unlike the chevy ZL1 video with factory drivers... LOL Regardless, for a 1st time run by journalists who are not hotshoes...that's impressive. Remember, you can't compare a chevy documentary, with chevy drivers and support, running on drag radials to a solitary journalist report with one run.

Secondly, while the GT500 can be kitted up all the way to more than $65K, the closest comparison to the ZL1 (performance equipment equivalent with track suspension, that is - you can check the gt500 configurator yourself) shows the Shelby running $58,490 (including destination) or, roughly, $3,500 more. That's 82 HP and 75 lb/ft more than the chevy for $3,500. Adding the track package ($2,995)brings external coolers and pumps for several systems that the Chevy does not offer; therefore, it's not germane to the discussion.





I believe the Camaro to be quite a potent package. I'm pleased to see chevy offer such a car. It is my opinion that the Mustang is a better looking car and, at this point, I am speculating that it will deliver vastly better straight-line results. We'll have to wait to see how well it drives on the track...

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Sorry, just had too.. As you were.!

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by 68gtoMN

Edmonds has run the 2013 GT500 already? Hmmmm...interesting that this was the same time mentioned by the autoblog journalists in the link I posted - on their first time out. Unlike the chevy ZL1 video with factory drivers... LOL Regardless, for a 1st time run by journalists who are not hotshoes...that's impressive. Remember, you can't compare a chevy documentary, with chevy drivers and support, running on drag radials to a solitary journalist report with one run.

Secondly, while the GT500 can be kitted up all the way to more than $65K, the closest comparison to the ZL1 (performance equipment equivalent with track suspension, that is - you can check the gt500 configurator yourself) shows the Shelby running $58,490 (including destination) or, roughly, $3,500 more. That's 82 HP and 75 lb/ft more than the chevy for $3,500. Adding the track package ($2,995)brings external coolers and pumps for several systems that the Chevy does not offer; therefore, it's not germane to the discussion.

I believe the Camaro to be quite a potent package. I'm pleased to see chevy offer such a car. It is my opinion that the Mustang is a better looking car and, at this point, I am speculating that it will deliver vastly better straight-line results. We'll have to wait to see how well it drives on the track...

there is a member on camaro5 who ran a well documented 12.02 with his zl1 bone stock on his second pass ever with the car. however i do believe there will always be at least a 5 mph trap speed difference between the two cars seeing as the gt500 has a major power and weight advantage. it's fords flagship car, they can throw whatever they want at it.

the ford is more expensive and quite likely handles like poo. ford does have poor suspension development. but in all honesty both likely handle plenty fine for any of us here.

i am a little disappointed in the 5th gens performance in ways. but when it was released it decimated both the mustang and challenger, both of which needed upgrading anyway. since the camaro is the newest, it will be the last to get revamped.

the new gt500 is sweet, and we're getting close to factory 700 hp cars! since the c7 vette will be getting released soon, it will be a strong indicator of what is coming down the pipe for the camaro. time will tell!

i ust hope they are going to dump the portly platform the 5th gen is built on and move to something lighter. 4000 pounds is retarded. but i guess alot of people disagree since it's selling so well.