[Wareagle]

Originally Posted by S/st 54

That's a good pic of Mike Coopers car,The red '63.Coopers been doing good from what I could tell. Saw him at the Indian uprising in Wichita KS. He made 1 pass and hurt something but my hats off to the guy for getting after it.
Funny Story related to Cooper.He was in the semi's of a Super Chevy race a few yrs back in Topeka. He was racing a my good friend and chassis builder Steve Bruce in his AJBBC camaro. Steve was strapped in under the tower,the starter was on the car and they were about to fire them up.......I walked up shook Steve's hand and then I told him "be careful and I hope that Pontiac WHIPS YOUR AZZ!"...My buddy got a lil offended but he got over it knowing my love for fast Pontiacs....Cooper didn't get the win light but Coop's car ran something like a 4.41 every pass.It was pretty impressive.

Great story - Thanks .

[Wareagle]

Also - I think this is A pic of his engine .

[Gaby Labiosa]

I will respond to this to eliminate all this hearsay, half truths, and innuendos.

EIC motorsports has done several edelbrock performer rpm heads, as well as high ports.

While I can't remember every prospective client who calls for a quote, our 1000+ hp induction systems typically range from $4000-7000 labor, depending on the application and how much work was done previously. That is both manifold and cylinder head porting labor.

Also there is no special "deals" unless there is a specific arrangement with the client to offer EIC something equal to the investment EIC has made on them.

John Urist, Jimmy Jammel, and our own nmca pro street/pro mod are some examples of "sponsored" EIC clients

Most EIC customers primarily focus on value (service, performance, and results) rather than price as te first priority.

So the question is, at this level:

What price would a client pay for value, experience, and track results rather than Internet bs???

Would anyone take a gamble on something not proven AT THIS LEVEL on a unproven company and/or product?

How cheap would you have to make your pricing if you have ZERO experience or track results at this level for people to take the gamble?

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by Gaby Labiosa

I will respond to this to eliminate all this hearsay, half truths, and innuendos.

EIC motorsports has done several edelbrock performer rpm heads, as well as high ports.

While I can't remember every prospective client who calls for a quote, our 1000+ hp induction systems typically range from $4000-7000 labor, depending on the application and how much work was done previously. That is both manifold and cylinder head porting labor.

Also there is no special "deals" unless there is a specific arrangement with the client to offer EIC something equal to the investment EIC has made on them.

John Urist, Jimmy Jammel, and our own nmca pro street/pro mod are some examples of "sponsored" EIC clients

Most EIC customers primarily focus on value (service, performance, and results) rather than price as te first priority.

So the question is, at this level:

What price would a client pay for value, experience, and track results rather than Internet bs???

Would anyone take a gamble on something not proven AT THIS LEVEL on a unproven company and/or product?

How cheap would you have to make your pricing if you have ZERO experience or track results at this level for people to take the gamble?

Shiiiiieeeeet, you can get some as cast heads to do that


Sounds cheep to me. Stuff that makes power is not as simple as run the program and put them together.

[twinturrbo406]

[QUOTE=Jeff Kinsler;4804406]
3. Twinturbobill will beat Langer with greatgtos motor..NOT!!
10. Greatgto won't be saying his motor beat Langer!
12. Calvin will build a 700 HP KILLAH
14. S/ST54 will have the fastest throttlestop Pontiac weighing 2850
15. A CV1 na car will finally go 8's that weighs over 3000 lbs
17. Twinturbobill will port more ports that are not on peoples cars than anyone else.
21. Little jack will still be voted "the most hated by the CV 1guys" in 2013
24. Hooter will not have the best wideport e-heads on his car.

Originally Posted by mike leech

ROTFLMFAO! Sorry bill but a little pee came out i laughed so hard on 17 and 21!

Originally Posted by tom s

WAIT,a CV car will finally run in the HU/NA race at Norwalk!Tom

Originally Posted by mike leech

SILLY RABBIT! Thats not what he said... A cv car over 3000 will go 8s. No rules or #s per cube to get there.

Originally Posted by wreckmastr

I predict the ECM will be handing out more ass whoopings than there are CV1 ports at Norwalk this year!

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

True, but

OHFUKTHATDIDNOTJUSTHAPPEN!!!

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

OYESITDID!

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Thats alot of ass whipings! LOL

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

maybe you meant 571.99.

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Do you mean that canted valve head that can't make more power then some early 90s inline head?

... just a quick summary of how we end up with these types of threads, that are supposedly all the CV-1 guys fault, i dont start this mess, i never do ...

... i mean damn, just how much trash do you guys really need to talk ?? ... about the same stupid chit, year after year after year, over & over & over ?? ...

... you know its just a matter of time before we come in and stand up for ourselves, you guys would do the same thing, but this stuff always ends up being the CV-1 camps fault, would you guys please explain to me how that is right or fair ?? ...

... having a fast car doesnt give you the right to bash people or product for this amount of time on such a regular basis, i really wish this nonsense would stop, but what do i know ...

[Jeff Kinsler]

[QUOTE=twinturrbo406;4820260]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

3. Twinturbobill will beat Langer with greatgtos motor..NOT!!
10. Greatgto won't be saying his motor beat Langer!
12. Calvin will build a 700 HP KILLAH
14. S/ST54 will have the fastest throttlestop Pontiac weighing 2850
15. A CV1 na car will finally go 8's that weighs over 3000 lbs
17. Twinturbobill will port more ports that are not on peoples cars than anyone else.
21. Little jack will still be voted "the most hated by the CV 1guys" in 2013
24. Hooter will not have the best wideport e-heads on his car.

#3 what is wrong with that statement its 100 % true.. sorry but it is..
#10 he ran his mouth and said he would beat langer. again wont happen.
#12 calvin had a 600 HP killah last year in 2012 now its 700 thats a big improvement. LOL
#14 that is a true statement.
#15. that was a positive statement. re read it.
#17 well thats true too.
#21 well thats really true.
#24 well thats true again..

EHTTFMF!!! GLTTFMF!!! ECMTTFMF!!! its to easy to get you guys fired up..

whats funny is you keep posting WELL OVER 12K TO DUPLICATE and no one gives a crap. except you and greatgto. who cares!!!!!!

you definetly could not post on Yellow Bullet. you would get eaten alive... LOL

[twinturrbo406]

[QUOTE=Jeff Kinsler;4820290]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

#3 what is wrong with that statement its 100 % true.. sorry but it is..
#10 he ran his mouth and said he would beat langer. again wont happen.
#12 calvin had a 600 HP killah last year in 2012 now its 700 thats a big improvement. LOL
#14 that is a true statement.
#15. that was a positive statement. re read it.
#17 well thats true too.
#21 well thats really true.
#24 well thats true again..

EHTTFMF!!! GLTTFMF!!! ECMTTFMF!!! its to easy to get you guys fired up..

whats funny is you keep posting WELL OVER 12K TO DUPLICATE and no one gives a crap. except you and greatgto. who cares!!!!!!

you definetly could not post on Yellow Bullet. you would get eaten alive... LOL

... oh i disagree Jeff ... and the YB ... IF if you guys behaved there like you do here, you would get eaten alive Jeff

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Gaby Labiosa

I will respond to this to eliminate all this hearsay, half truths, and innuendos.

EIC motorsports has done several edelbrock performer rpm heads, as well as high ports.

While I can't remember every prospective client who calls for a quote, our 1000+ hp induction systems typically range from $4000-7000 labor, depending on the application and how much work was done previously. That is both manifold and cylinder head porting labor.

Also there is no special "deals" unless there is a specific arrangement with the client to offer EIC something equal to the investment EIC has made on them.

John Urist, Jimmy Jammel, and our own nmca pro street/pro mod are some examples of "sponsored" EIC clients

Most EIC customers primarily focus on value (service, performance, and results) rather than price as te first priority.

So the question is, at this level:

What price would a client pay for value, experience, and track results rather than Internet bs???

Would anyone take a gamble on something not proven AT THIS LEVEL on a unproven company and/or product?

How cheap would you have to make your pricing if you have ZERO experience or track results at this level for people to take the gamble?

Dayam! that did just happen!

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by Gaby Labiosa

I will respond to this to eliminate all this hearsay, half truths, and innuendos.

EIC motorsports has done several edelbrock performer rpm heads, as well as high ports.

While I can't remember every prospective client who calls for a quote, our 1000+ hp induction systems typically range from $4000-7000 labor, depending on the application and how much work was done previously. That is both manifold and cylinder head porting labor.

Also there is no special "deals" unless there is a specific arrangement with the client to offer EIC something equal to the investment EIC has made on them.

John Urist, Jimmy Jammel, and our own nmca pro street/pro mod are some examples of "sponsored" EIC clients

Most EIC customers primarily focus on value (service, performance, and results) rather than price as te first priority.

So the question is, at this level:

What price would a client pay for value, experience, and track results rather than Internet bs???

Would anyone take a gamble on something not proven AT THIS LEVEL on a unproven company and/or product?

How cheap would you have to make your pricing if you have ZERO experience or track results at this level for people to take the gamble?

... well hello Mr. Labiosa ... i hope your new year is going well ...

... but as far as what i'm refering to being internet BS, or innuendo, i'm afraid i disagree ... and i also think you mis-understand where i'm coming from Gaby, my intent is not to slam you, or degrade the work done to Kinslers or Jacks EHeads, in fact, i commend you because Jeff's car hauls the mail like no other EHeaded car i know of, but my intent is to expose the level of work that was done to those heads, and the quotes your potential customers have given me to duplicate that work proves that its much more then just a simple port job ...

... as they would have everyone believe, which is hilarious, considering how those two guys act like their heads are "Dinosaur Junk" ??? ... which judging by your statements they are anything but, either way i'd think they'd be a little more proud of the work that was done to be quite honest ...

... so, this has nothing to do with my experience Gaby, which i can see your already trying to twist it into, it has everything to do with your boys not knowing when to STFU ...

... so, the war continues now doesnt it ?? after all this time ?? ... but the only difference with me, is i'm tellin' the truth, and you know it ... ... just like i always do ...

... so to be perfectly clear here Gaby, i'm not slamming you or your work, or what you charge for it, in fact i think its great you have carved out that part of the market to get that kind of work in the door ...

... i just think its ridiculous that Jeff & Jack talk about their EHeads that you did for them, or had done, which ever (that you have told other potential customers will take over $12K to duplicate that level of work) are nothing more than ported Dinosaur Junk, and thats putting it lightly ...

... then they try to use that ridiculous notion as a comparison/battering ram to the CV-1 cylinder head ... over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over ...

... catch my drift ?? ... its gettin' a little Phukin' old ...

[slowbird]

Bill you have no idea what Gaby has done to those heads!
Also just because you post that you tell the truth how does that make it true?
Happy New Year

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Bill you have no idea what Gaby has done to those heads!
Also just because you post that you tell the truth how does that make it true?
Happy New Year

... hey Brian, what took you so long ? ... ... but yes, you are right on the money with that statement, i've never even seen those heads, i just know it takes over $12K to duplicate them, and that's not counting the cost of the heads, incase you were wondering ...

... as for you questioning me talking the truth ?? ... you cant be serious ?? ...

... and the fact that i say it alone, doesn't make it the truth Brian, it just simply is the truth, and i'm repeating it, whether you like it or not, it's still the truth Brian, but it doesn't hurt that i have it in writing too ...

... oh, and a Happy New Year to you sir ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... hey Brian, what took you so long ? ... ... but yes, you are right on the money with that statement, i've never even seen those heads, i just know it takes over $12K to duplicate them, and that's not counting the cost of the heads, incase you were wondering ...

... as for you questioning me talking the truth ?? ... you cant be serious ?? ...

... and the fact that i say it alone, doesn't make it the truth Brian, it just simply is the truth, and i'm repeating it, whether you like it or not, it's still the truth Brian, but it doesn't hurt that i have it in writing too ...

... oh, and a Happy New Year to you sir ...

I find it hard to believe there is 12k in them and I do know a decent amount about them.
As for the truth, you could be right or you could be wrong but making the statement that its true because you say so just seems funny to me.

I TRULY do wish you a happy and productive 2013. Despite what you think of me I really dont want you to fail and really hope everything comes together for you.

[twinturrbo406]

[QUOTE=Gaby Labiosa;4818258]
Also there is no special "deals" UNLESS there is a specific arrangement with the client to offer EIC something equal to the investment EIC has made on them. [QUOTE]


... and after further review, this segment raises serious question as to exactly what that arrangement was between EIC, Jeff and Lil' Jack ?? ...

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... and after further review, this segment raises serious question as to exactly what that arrangement was between EIC, Jeff and Lil' Jack ?? ...

Why do you care what anyone pays for anything? It's their money not yours. I've never once heard any of them complain about it or even mention what they paid. Clearly it was money well spent as their cars haul ass.

This is the same BS Gach used to pull with me regarding the head work I had done with Jim Robertson.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

Why do you care what anyone pays for anything? It's their money not yours. I've never once heard any of them complain about it or even mention what they paid. Clearly it was money well spent as their cars haul ass.

This is the same BS Gach used to pull with me regarding the head work I had done with Jim Robertson.

... Gach is an idiot, and you know it ...

... and what i'm saying makes perfect sense, it is really very simple, Jeff & Jack want to make comparisons with their (Well Over $12K) type heads to a cylinder head that has nowhere near that kind of money & development, so what dont you understand about that ?? ... they have tried to maintain the fact that their heads are just EHead Junk, which is completely off the mark ... (Well Over $12K) to duplicate ...

... i'm saying it is a completely unrealistic comparison to compare those two heads that are that far apart on cost to duplicate, thats all, i'm not sayin' they dont have fast cars, or they were not worth what it costs to duplicate them, or that the work wasn't top rate, i'm just saying its unrealistic to compare them due to the costs, it simply makes no sense at all ...

... i think they got there moneys worth R70, i'm not denying that ...

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

Why do you care what anyone pays for anything? It's their money not yours. I've never once heard any of them complain about it or even mention what they paid. Clearly it was money well spent as their cars haul ass.

This is the same BS Gach used to pull with me regarding the head work I had done with Jim Robertson.

I agree,

Jack and Jeff are very happy with the work Gaby did, that's most important.

Geez, you can't even read a post without GLEHTTTMF!!! on it.

Money well spent!!!

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

p.s. What would Gaby charge a racer to spec a converter for him, considering Jack went [email protected]. 3460#s, just think how quick a car could go @ 174 MPH?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I agree,

Jack and Jeff are very happy with the work Gaby did, that's most important.

Geez, you can't even read a post without GLEHTTTMF!!! on it.

Money well spent!!!

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

p.s. What would Gaby charge a racer to spec a converter for him, considering Jack went [email protected]. 3460#s, just think how quick a car could go @ 174 MPH?

Any grenade can run good MPH once with little timing put in the motor.

how bad did he hurt that thing he has been gone all year, so I guess pretty phucking BAD!

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I agree,

Jack and Jeff are very happy with the work Gaby did, that's most important.

Geez, you can't even read a post without GLEHTTTMF!!! on it.

Money well spent!!!

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

p.s. What would Gaby charge a racer to spec a converter for him, considering Jack went [email protected]. 3460#s, just think how quick a car could go @ 174 MPH?

How bad was smoke pouring out of that thing on the big end on that video of that 174 MPH pass that you won't show us?