[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by slowbird

No I havent but like I said I have a decent idea what has been done to them and the parts. I also know what I have spent on my stuff.
Lets say you are correct, how much is it worth to have the power potential to run 8.4s in a 3300+lb car (cant remember what Kinsler's weighs) or run 7.9s at 3400+lbs on the juice? Power does cost and you get what you pay for or at least that has been my experience.

Its hard to argue with an E.T. slip and a certified scale.

King Kinsler was 3250#s, and I was 3460#s


I think the dinosaur comment came from Dino a while back and we just kept on with it, I thought it was kinda funny myself

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Its hard to argue with an E.T. slip and a certified scale.

King Kinsler was 3250#s, and I was 3460#s


I think the dinosaur comment came from Dino a while back and we just kept on with it, I thought it was kinda funny myself

Well 3250 isn't 3300+ LBS NOW IS IT? So Bill was right again.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Well 3250 isn't 3300+ LBS NOW IS IT? So Bill was right again.

I heard Kinsler went to the bathroom after he hit the scales and got rid of the Mexican and beer from in town. Man, you guys really do grasp for any piss-ant excuse.

Tom Vaught

[60man]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

I heard Kinsler went to the bathroom after he hit the scales and got rid of the Mexican and beer from in town. Man, you guys really do grasp for any piss-ant excuse.

Tom Vaught

Agreed Tom...

SO....what's going on in 2013 ??

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

I heard Kinsler went to the bathroom after he hit the scales and got rid of the Mexican and beer from in town. Man, you guys really do grasp for any piss-ant excuse.

Tom Vaught

LOL!

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Well 3250 isn't 3300+ LBS NOW IS IT? So Bill was right again.

Lmao, I put I couldnt remember exactly what it weighed and no one agrued with Bill when he said it was lighter.

[Gaby Labiosa]

As I stated before. EIC Motorsports has NEVER charged any more than $4000-7000 porting labor for a Pontiac induction system capable of 1000+hp.

More importantly, EIC customers are usually people who look for results rather than price as their first priority.

While we may have quotes that end up considerably more than the porting labor itself, it is simply because of a customer's request for added support parts to complement the induction system and/or engine. Such as cylinder head/manifold castings, camshaft, converter, even roller lifters.

These parts, as you well may know cost the same for any platform.

Also, what you may not know. This 1000+ hp Pontiac stuff is NOT commonplace as the internet may make you think. It is EXPENSIVE, and not just an induction package and/or engine will get it done.

If anyone does not think 10-15K top ends (including all new parts) and 25-30K motors (from scratch) are what's required at this level, then they better not even think about getting involved.



As far as a WAR continuing, I didn't know there was one at all. We have not "carved" out this market, simply just produced results and have gone above and beyond expectations. It is simply a cause and effect, you prove it at the track and people call!! That is just how I try to run my business.

Don't you have to be in the game to be in a war??

You can "win" this internet "war". I prefer to always try and kick everyone's butt in real life at the racetrack, and continue to build a good company that's capable of meeting the needs of any professional or high end sportsman racer.

I think EIC has proven that.


P.S. GreatGTO is 100% correct. The high hp Pontiac is not a money making market!!

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by Gaby Labiosa

As I stated before. EIC Motorsports has NEVER charged any more than $4000-7000 porting labor for a Pontiac induction system capable of 1000+hp.

More importantly, EIC customers are usually people who look for results rather than price as their first priority.

While we may have quotes that end up considerably more than the porting labor itself, it is simply because of a customer's request for added support parts to complement the induction system and/or engine. Such as cylinder head/manifold castings, camshaft, converter, even roller lifters.

These parts, as you well may know cost the same for any platform.

Also, what you may not know. This 1000+ hp Pontiac stuff is NOT commonplace as the internet may make you think. It is EXPENSIVE, and not just an induction package and/or engine will get it done.

If anyone does not think 10-15K top ends (including all new parts) and 25-30K motors (from scratch) are what's required at this level, then they better not even think about getting involved.



As far as a WAR continuing, I didn't know there was one at all. We have not "carved" out this market, simply just produced results and have gone above and beyond expectations. It is simply a cause and effect, you prove it at the track and people call!! That is just how I try to run my business.

Don't you have to be in the game to be in a war??

You can "win" this internet "war". I prefer to always try and kick everyone's butt in real life at the racetrack, and continue to build a good company that's capable of meeting the needs of any professional or high end sportsman racer.

I think EIC has proven that.


P.S. GreatGTO is 100% correct. The high hp Pontiac is not a money making market!!

... ok, nice "REPEAT POST" Gaby, but even you are missing my point here, so i will repeat, i'm not challenging you or anything remotely close to that Gaby, heck, in fact i complimented you for Christ sakes, and you are still going with the "DisCredit" or "Slam" approach towards me ?? ... so, whatever Gaby, keep swingin', i can take it ...

... but all that crap is completely 100% irrelevent here, because all i'm doing is setting the record straight about the ridiculous comparisons that your boys have made repeatedly, for a ridiculously long time concerning their heads and CV-1's ...

... because there is not a single CV-1 customer on the planet that has anywhere near that level (well over $12K) of investment in their CV-1's, in fact the two guys that are CV-1/RacePlate customers have about half of that amount in their heads, which those cars are still under construction ...

... so if they want to continue those games, well then so will i, only this time people will know what is really being compared, because regardless of what they actually paid, by your words it takes over $12K to duplicate a set ...

... and WreckMaster & Lil' Jack, dont sell yourselves short at only 10K, those heads are worth (WELL OVER $12K) !!!!

"Happy 2013 !!!!!"

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... ok, nice "REPEAT POST" Gaby, but even you are missing my point here, so i will repeat, i'm not challenging you or anything remotely close to that Gaby, heck, in fact i complimented you for Christ sakes, and you are still going with the "DisCredit" or "Slam" approach towards me ?? ... so, whatever Gaby, keep swingin', i can take it ...

... but all that crap is completely 100% irrelevent here, because all i'm doing is setting the record straight about the ridiculous comparisons that your boys have made repeatedly, for a ridiculously long time concerning their heads and CV-1's ...

... because there is not a single CV-1 customer on the planet that has anywhere near that level (well over $12K) of investment in their CV-1's, in fact the two guys that are CV-1/RacePlate customers have about half of that amount in their heads, which those cars are still under construction ...

... so if they want to continue those games, well then so will i, only this time people will know what is really being compared, because regardless of what they actually paid, by your words it takes over $12K to duplicate a set ...

... and WreckMaster & Lil' Jack, dont sell yourselves short at only 10K, those heads are worth (WELL OVER $12K) !!!!

"Happy 2013 !!!!!"

I DID NOT PAY 12 GRAND FOR MY HEADS!

I paid $11,900 for my whole motor.

I know what Wrekmaster paid for his heads (which are better) and bad azz sheet metal intake and it was under $10K.

It doesn't cost it pays to use Gaby in my honest opinion! I told him I wanted to go 7s and he said he could make it happen, and he explained to me what it would take to get there, and he delivered.

That was some of the best money I ever spent!

[T Syron]

$11,900 for a 1000 HP motor complete? Wow, I thought there would have been that much in parts alone.

Tom Syron

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by T Syron

$11,900 for a 1000 HP motor complete? Wow, I thought there would have been that much in parts alone.

Tom Syron

I sent my old motor down there with my regular wide ports and victor. New cam rods pistons head gaskets port heads and intake and assembly plus machine work to block.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I sent my old motor down there with my regular wide ports and victor. New cam rods pistons head gaskets port heads and intake and assembly plus machine work to block.

... jeez, what "YOU" paid is completely irrelevant Jack ...


(Well Over $12K) To Duplicate

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I DID NOT PAY 12 GRAND FOR MY HEADS!

I paid $11,900 for my whole motor.

I know what Wrekmaster paid for his heads (which are better) and bad azz sheet metal intake and it was under $10K.

It doesn't cost it pays to use Gaby in my honest opinion! I told him I wanted to go 7s and he said he could make it happen, and he explained to me what it would take to get there, and he delivered.

That was some of the best money I ever spent!

... are you drinkin' that toilet water again ?? .. lol ... i know you didnt pay that amount, you are ECM member # 2 for christ sakes, but what i'm sayin' is it takes (WELL OVER $12K) for us common folk to get a set, get it ?? ...

... but maybe the deal you were given starts to show "MOTIVE" for your behavior towards us CV-1 folk ?? Yes ?? ...

... but damn Jack, maybe you are ECM member#1, because heck, you got a complete engine, for less than what it costs us common folk to get just a set of your heads ??? ...

[Wareagle]

Robin will run 7's - no doubt about it - cool .

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Wareagle

Robin will run 7's - no doubt about it - cool .

It should it has over $12K in the three set of CV1s that have been on it

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I DID NOT PAY 12 GRAND FOR MY HEADS!

I paid $11,900 for my whole motor.That was some of the best money I ever spent!

Can I order one of those $11,900, 1000 HP engines. I thought Gaby said those engines cost between $25k-$30k???

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

Can I order one of those $11,900, 1000 HP engines. I thought Gaby said those engines cost between $25k-$30k???

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

I posted in another thread that I sent my motor down there to Gaby.

He bought new rods,pistons rings and bearings. Ported my heads that were a KRE "wideport" and intake manifold. He did a valve job to MY titanium intake and exhaust valves and reused my T and D rocker arms. new 55 MM cam and new jesel 904 lifters. He machined my block and bored cam and lifters.

As Gaby said from scratch it is rough around 25K for this type of motor.

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I posted in another thread that I sent my motor down there to Gaby.

He bought new rods,pistons rings and bearings. Ported my heads that were a KRE "wideport" and intake manifold. He did a valve job to MY titanium intake and exhaust valves and reused my T and D rocker arms. new 55 MM cam and new jesel 904 lifters. He machined my block and bored cam and lifters.

As Gaby said from scratch it is rough around 25K for this type of motor.

Ok, that makes more sense.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I posted in another thread that I sent my motor down there to Gaby.

He bought new rods,pistons rings and bearings. Ported my heads that were a KRE "wideport" and intake manifold. He did a valve job to MY titanium intake and exhaust valves and reused my T and D rocker arms. new 55 MM cam and new jesel 904 lifters. He machined my block and bored cam and lifters.

As Gaby said from scratch it is rough around 25K for this type of motor.

I think you missed this one Bill.

[twinturrbo406]

[QUOTE=Gaby Labiosa;4818444]As I stated before. EIC Motorsports has NEVER charged any more than $4000-7000 porting labor for a Pontiac induction system capable of 1000+hp.

Also, what you may not know. This 1000+ hp Pontiac stuff is NOT commonplace as the internet may make you think. It is EXPENSIVE, and not just an induction package and/or engine will get it done.

If anyone does not think 10-15K top ends (including all new parts) and 25-30K motors (from scratch) are what's required at this level, then they better not even think about getting involved.



... you need to read this again Dan ... and anyone else that doesnt want to believe it ... his words, not mine ...