[mike leech]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... ok Mike, i guess the only thing i can offer you, is when we show up with my CV-1/Camaro, you'll be the first person i race, hows that ?? ...

OK I guess if you make it. so i have to give you 90 inches 300 lbs. ok I'll do it. You better PHUKIN kill me or you will look like a fool.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by mike leech

OK I guess if you make it. so i have to give you 90 inches 300 lbs. ok I'll do it. You better PHUKIN kill me or you will look like a fool.

Mike it seems like a good race to me. You have nothing to lose!! Its all on Bill.
But I thought Langer was the first race for Bill. Didn't GreatGTO say awhile back that they'd take Langer down?

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Mike it seems like a good race to me. You have nothing to lose!! Its all on Bill.
But I thought Langer was the first race for Bill. Didn't GreatGTO say awhile back that they'd take Langer down?

... trust me EC, "IF" my Camaro has anything for Langer, you guys will be the first to know about it, ok ?? ...

... but for such an inexperienced nobody, you guys sure are asking a lot from me huh ?? ... wow ... Aim High right ??? ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... trust me EC, if my Camaro has anything for Langer, you guys will be the first to know about it, ok ?? ...

Sounds good to me. I hope everything goes good for you this year and your Camaro sees some track time.
GreatGTO is the one putting the expectations on you not us

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Sounds good to me. I hope everything goes good for you this year and your Camaro sees some track time.
GreatGTO is the one putting the expectations on you not us

I haven't put pressure on anyone, the whole Langer deal was before Bill was even involved with my engine other than building it at that time. Not to the extent it is now.
I said I WAS WILLING TO BUILD, my own car to race Langer, the camaro is not my car. This is when Bill said he would like to run my engine , back when he had the 63 lemans. I used to have an Art Morisson full chassis ready to go but I decided to stay with a street car and the chassis was sold, this happen the first year cv1's were released, so my plans were to build a real street car not a race car before any of this crap started. If I had continued to build my 68 gto race car it probably would have been done by now.

Im sure Bill will race anyone that wants a race, including Langer, but it has nothing to do with me other than he is using my short block. After he is done with my engine the compression will be dropped along with a whole new top end for street use.

If the question is do I believe he can beat Langer? YES! Bill said it would be a good race, period, no guarantee of a win or anything like. Racing Langer would be the fastest way to quiet everyone down, because if he beat Langer or even came close it pretty much would mean he just beat everyone slower than Langer, that would be all you guys!!!

Why waste time with the East Coast Morons ?

[60man]

Why waste time with the East Coast Morons ?


Rut-row..

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by 60man

Why waste time with the East Coast Morons ?


Rut-row..

Well 60, they are the ones who love acronyms, so I posted what ECM means to me-EAST COAST MORONS.

[LiL Jack]

[QUOTE=GREATGTO;4819325]I haven't put pressure on anyone, the whole Langer deal was before Bill was even involved with my engine other than building it at that time. Not to the extent it is now.
I said I WAS WILLING TO BUILD, my own car to race Langer, the camaro is not my car. This is when Bill said he would like to run my engine , back when he had the 63 lemans. I used to have an Art Morisson full chassis ready to go but I decided to stay with a street car and the chassis was sold, this happen the first year cv1's were released, so my plans were to build a real street car not a race car before any of this crap started. If I had continued to build my 68 gto race car it probably would have been done by now.
M
Im sure Bill will race anyone that wants a race, including Langer, but it has nothing to do with me other than he is using my short block. After he is done with my engine the compression will be dropped along with a whole new top end for street use.

If the question is do I believe he can beat Langer? YES! Bill said it would be a good race, period, no guarantee of a win or anything like. Racing Langer would be the fastest way to quiet everyone down, because if he beat Langer or even came close it pretty much would mean he just beat everyone slower than Langer, that would be all you guys!!!

Why waste time with the East Coast Morons ?[/QUOTE


You or Bill do not have the slightest phucking clue of what it takes to have the caliber of racing operation that Langer does!

All you two are is a bunch of keyboard jockeys that talk the talk, but can't walk the walk!

[twinturrbo406]

[QUOTE=LiL Jack;4819346]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

I haven't put pressure on anyone, the whole Langer deal was before Bill was even involved with my engine other than building it at that time. Not to the extent it is now.
I said I WAS WILLING TO BUILD, my own car to race Langer, the camaro is not my car. This is when Bill said he would like to run my engine , back when he had the 63 lemans. I used to have an Art Morisson full chassis ready to go but I decided to stay with a street car and the chassis was sold, this happen the first year cv1's were released, so my plans were to build a real street car not a race car before any of this crap started. If I had continued to build my 68 gto race car it probably would have been done by now.
M
Im sure Bill will race anyone that wants a race, including Langer, but it has nothing to do with me other than he is using my short block. After he is done with my engine the compression will be dropped along with a whole new top end for street use.

If the question is do I believe he can beat Langer? YES! Bill said it would be a good race, period, no guarantee of a win or anything like. Racing Langer would be the fastest way to quiet everyone down, because if he beat Langer or even came close it pretty much would mean he just beat everyone slower than Langer, that would be all you guys!!!

Why waste time with the East Coast Morons ?[/QUOTE


You or Bill do not have the slightest phucking clue of what it takes to have the caliber of racing operation that Langer does!

All you two are is a bunch of keyboard jockeys that talk the talk, but can't walk the walk!

... LMAO, whatever Jack, nobody has talked more chit then you Jack, and as far as i'm concerned, you have not out run Robin's car, because that East Coast Air chit dont hold water with me, so to me, what your heap runs at Norwalk, is what it runs ...

... dude, you've flown off at the lips for years, and now you run your car a handful of times and you are a superstar drag racer ?? what a joke, if i'm a Keyboard Jockey, then you are nothing more than an Internet Azzclown, lol ...

... i'd like to see you develop a completely new top end (heads & manifold), do all the finish work and assembly, fabricate that manifold, spec & build your own carb (Anderson Port Development), fabricate your own RacePlate style headers, blueprint-spec-machine-assemble your own engine, and then test & tune that engine on the dyno, and then show up at the track and race that same combo ?? ...

... you are a complete IDIOT compared me and you know it, i dont care that you can simply drive that 65' that you've owned for how long now ?? You are not even in the same league as me DS ...

... YOU ARE A CHECK WRITTING PLUMBER, that happens to own a race car, and thats it !!! ...

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

I haven't put pressure on anyone, the whole Langer deal was before Bill was even involved with my engine other than building it at that time. Not to the extent it is now.
I said I WAS WILLING TO BUILD, my own car to race Langer, the camaro is not my car. This is when Bill said he would like to run my engine , back when he had the 63 lemans. I used to have an Art Morisson full chassis ready to go but I decided to stay with a street car and the chassis was sold, this happen the first year cv1's were released, so my plans were to build a real street car not a race car before any of this crap started. If I had continued to build my 68 gto race car it probably would have been done by now.

Im sure Bill will race anyone that wants a race, including Langer, but it has nothing to do with me other than he is using my short block. After he is done with my engine the compression will be dropped along with a whole new top end for street use.

If the question is do I believe he can beat Langer? YES! Bill said it would be a good race, period, no guarantee of a win or anything like. Racing Langer would be the fastest way to quiet everyone down, because if he beat Langer or even came close it pretty much would mean he just beat everyone slower than Langer, that would be all you guys!!!

Why waste time with the East Coast Morons ?

Yes it would be all us guys....I GOT MY SPOON!

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... and i know this is not what i'd call a fair race, but it's all i got Mike, and we're close to $40,000 on this car and its engine, and counting, so have you dropped that kinda' coin on your car this year Mike ?? Maybe so, i dont know, but we are doing the best we can ... what do you want me to do, rob a bank

Good thing you gave up on the '63 Tempest project because I have more than that in my car and it's still sitting in the garage.

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Im sure Bill will race anyone that wants a race, including Langer, but it has nothing to do with me other than he is using my short block. After he is done with my engine the compression will be dropped along with a whole new top end for street use.

With all if the nasty comments you've made about people's chit blowing up you better pray that karma doesn't make a special appearance just for you.

Who is assembling your engine? Just wondering

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

Good thing you gave up on the '63 Tempest project because I have more than that in my car and it's still sitting in the garage.



With all if the nasty comments you've made about people's chit blowing up you better pray that karma doesn't make a special appearance just for you.

Who is assembling your engine? Just wondering

I only made that prediction for Jack because of his cv1's go boom comments, but anyway it wouldn't be the first time a prediction came true, I think it was made the last time he blew it up but the prediction wasn't made in public. As far as my engine blowing up anything is possible, I wont cry and neither would Bill, we are man enough to handle it and move on. Wont hurt our feelings one bit, we would fully expect everyone to attack if it did blow up.

I said it once and I'll say it again, the 572 is not our ideal engine to build for racing, it was stuff I already had for a low rpm street engine. The crank is very heavy and the bore is small. Lets face it, the cv1 is still on the small side for a 572 ci. Do the calculations yourself, the piston speed gets crazy with a 4.750 stroke, requires a lot of cylinder head
Getting ci from stroke without bore being able to follow is not the best way to make a race engine but we are limited in bore with pontiac so it is what it is.

Id much rather race you guys with a short deck pontiac with cv1 or cv2's, this is the future as far as I'm concerned.
There is a reason why most ehead builds are in the 500 ci range, its because the heads are less and less optimal csa and valve to bore /stroke ratio wise the bigger the engine gets the heads are less effective.
How many 540 ci or bigger eheads builds are making over 1000 hp? I dont know of any, not saying they don't exist thats why I'm asking the question.
Traditionally with other makes like ford and chevy yes its easy to make big power with big ci engines, id say thats not true with pontiacs because of the bore limitations. Thats why smaller engines 500 ci make good power with pontiac, because thats the sweet spot for the bore and cylinder head limitations.
A short stroke engine will perform better than a larger stoke engine with the same cylinder head, the longer stoke just makes a poor performing cylinder heads problems magnify as to where it is a lot less with a smaller engine because the cylinder head demand is not there obviously.