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Old 03-18-2013, 06:45 AM
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Agree with Jerry.

The only modification I would make to his recommendation is that you can attach the wheelhouse inners to the fender and install them as an assembly. That's how it was done in the assembly plant at those locations where the front end was assembled to the car "piecemeal" (ie, one fender at a time).

Also - leave the rad supt bolts and top (vertical) fender bolts loose, to allow the radiator support/front fenders to shift side-to-side. This will allow you to fit the hood (hood to fender gaps). Once you've done that then you can torque and seat all the fasteners.

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Thanks for the help.

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Agree with Jerry.

The only modification I would make to his recommendation is that you can attach the wheelhouse inners to the fender and install them as an assembly. That's how it was done in the assembly plant at those locations where the front end was assembled to the car "piecemeal" (ie, one fender at a time).

Also - leave the rad supt bolts and top (vertical) fender bolts loose, to allow the radiator support/front fenders to shift side-to-side. This will allow you to fit the hood (hood to fender gaps). Once you've done that then you can torque and seat all the fasteners.

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Agree with Keith about leaving the bolts loose. Never tighten any bolt down until you get your adjustments right. I've never mounted the inner fender onto the outer fender for the reason I stated earlier; I was always doing it all by myself. If I had help I may have tried it that way.

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Years ago when cars had frames salvage yards would sell what was called walk off front clips. Insurance co. liked to use these as it would save labor cost. This made a good repair. But as a restorer you may be fooled in the fact some things could be different than oe for your car .

The A bodys out of Baltimore were installed this way. Other plants also as pic of lancing shows. eight bolts at cowl and core support bolts a few wires and hoses. A little playing with misc and alignments.But as said not easy without wife's help.
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The A bodys out of Baltimore were installed this way. Other plants also as pic of lancing shows. eight bolts at cowl and core support bolts a few wires and hoses. A little playing with misc and alignments.But as said not easy without wife's help.
Varies from plant to plant. The plant in Pontiac Michigan installed fenders piecemeal (one at a time).

In fact, when I started at Flint: Line 2 (Blazer/Suburban) was buck built, as shown. Line 1 (pickup) was piecemeal. So it varied within the same plant at the same time for the same product line.

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Agree with Jerry.

The only modification I would make to his recommendation is that you can attach the wheelhouse inners to the fender and install them as an assembly. That's how it was done in the assembly plant at those locations where the front end was assembled to the car "piecemeal" (ie, one fender at a time).

Also - leave the rad supt bolts and top (vertical) fender bolts loose, to allow the radiator support/front fenders to shift side-to-side. This will allow you to fit the hood (hood to fender gaps). Once you've done that then you can torque and seat all the fasteners.

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I was the foreman on the line where the fenders were installed at Flint Truck Assembly.

We had two guys - one at the front and one at the rear.

They would swoop the fender off the carrier (it was upside down on the carrier) and into position, jammed rearward against some spacers on the door to set the gap. The guy at the front would hold the nose of the fender up while the guy at the back drove the upper vertical bolt partway (left loose). Once it is hanging the guy at the front would drive the nose bolts (about 7 of them, 5/16" with small washers) and the guy at the rear would open the door and drive the horizontal bolt (tight). After that is done he would take a big stick and pry rearward off the tire on the rear dogleg portion while the guy in the pit drove the bottom fastener.

Line rate was 60 jobs/hour, or one completed vehicle every minute. That gave them about 45 seconds to do all of the above (plus some minor wire routing).

I watched them do about 900,000 vehicles this way (or about 1.8 million fender installs).

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A couple thoughts about shims (because you are probably going to need to do some shimming):

1 - we used to shim to trends, not individual vehicles. So the guys would tape a packet of shims together and run that all day until the repair area at the end of the line would yell at us. At that point we would create a new setup and run that until something required a change. There just wasn't time to stop and look at every truck.

You will want to set it on there and observe and adjust. Also - I have taken a front end off and put it back on, only to find it needed different shims than what was just on there. So just because you took them off and preserved the locations doesn't mean that's what it will want going back together.

2 - shims can go under the rear vertical bolt (to set your up/down at the door), behind the upper horizontal bolt (sets in/out at the top) and behind the bottom bolt (sets in/out at the bottom). We never shimmed at the front although I suppose a person could.

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