[David Jones]

Ugly lipstick on a pig. A 3900 pound with NO A/C pig........

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by David Jones

Ugly lipstick on a pig.

Mr. Jones, your post gave me quite a big laugh. Thank You Sir!

[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by David Jones

Ugly lipstick on a pig. A 3900 pound with NO A/C pig........

And will still be quicker around a race track than any pontiac ever built.....

My guess is it will be a few seconds slower than the ZL1 around the 'ring.

[MikeNoun]

I actually see a little of the Volt in that back end.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

I actually see a little of the Volt in that back end.

Yessir, I see it also...ANOTHER CURRENT marketing success?!!

[A.J.]

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

I actually see a little of the Volt in that back end.

With those rearlights it locks like a Nissan soapcup plastic racer. Nice car otherwise.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

I actually see a little of the Volt in that back end.

I agree there is a resemblance. Is that a bad thing?

Let's go back a few years and look at cars:

My first car was a Pontiac Bonneville - circa 1960...



1960 Catalina:



1960 Ventura:



And if we turned those cars around, the front end would look very similar also. It was how you identified a Pontiac - by a distintive front and or rear end treatment.

How about a '69 GTO:



Compared to a '69 Firebird:



I see nothing wrong with having a brand identity...

[Alvin]

Play with matches - Get burned! LOL

You knew at your first post that some here would not agree with you. For that you can find comrades on the aforementioned Camaro websites that are "creaming their jeans" for the Z no doubt. I can appreciate your bias and point of view. Your opinion is different than mine and the way I see it. Nice to be able to agree to disagree. No harm, no foul here IMO.

A$$ backwards marketing still holds here based on this previous marketing by Chebby:

1990s 1LEs were TRACK CARS...Z28s were mainstream "performance image" Camaros.
1998 - 2002 Z28s were - again - mainstream, with THE Z28 SS The SLP performance upgrade Camaro. And again IIRC 1LEs were "TRACK CAR CAMAROS", yes?

So, like I originally stated, GM Chebby marketing is ignoring their previous designation and hierarchy tier for the Z28 in the
2nd
3rd
4th
Generation which they have sold millions.

What's next - the Camaro Corvair Monza???

[Nickv]

So many bitter Pontiac owners. :-)

[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by Alvin

Play with matches - Get burned! LOL

You knew at your first post that some here would not agree with you. For that you can find comrades on the aforementioned Camaro websites that are "creaming their jeans" for the Z no doubt. I can appreciate your bias and point of view. Your opinion is different than mine and the way I see it. Nice to be able to agree to disagree. No harm, no foul here IMO.

A$$ backwards marketing still holds here based on this previous marketing by Chebby:

1990s 1LEs were TRACK CARS...Z28s were mainstream "performance image" Camaros.
1998 - 2002 Z28s were - again - mainstream, with THE SS Z28 The SLP performance upgrade Camaro. And again IIRC 1LEs were "TRACK CAR CAMAROS", yes?

So, like I originally stated, GM Chebby marketing is ignoring their previous designation and hierarchy tier for the Z28 in the
2nd
3rd
4th
Generation which they have sold millions.

What's next; the Camaro Corvair Monza???

Who got burned?

Who cares what GM did 30 years ago? They went back to the Z/28 roots with this car. They are making it lighter, faster, quicker, handle better, and be more noisy than the normal camaro. Exactly what they did with the 1967 Z/28 vs a regular SS camaro. The only difference is they are using a bigger engine in it because they can.


You do realize that for a specialty car today it's done very well as far as sales go?

[Firedup6975]

SERIOUSLY??????? Who cares about that Fugly POS! it doesn't even slightly look like a C car. Dime a dozen just like all the other years. I sat in one just for giggles, squatty, hard to get in and out, I'm 5'4" my head touched the roof, blind spots everywhere, that car is a mess! Never liked em.....never will!

[428RA4]

Hmm -

First impression is that the car does not look like anything else we have already seen before. Boring comes to mind...

[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by Firedup6975

SERIOUSLY??????? Who cares about that Fugly POS! it doesn't even slightly look like a C car. Dime a dozen just like all the other years. I sat in one just for giggles, squatty, hard to get in and out, I'm 5'4" my head touched the roof, blind spots everywhere, that car is a mess! Never liked em.....never will!

Hold onto that Challenger, it's going away again.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Nickv

So many bitter Pontiac owners. :-)

Regarding GM - YES I AM!

Originally Posted by Mr_GTO

Who cares what GM did 30 years ago? They went back to the Z/28 roots with this car...

So they're going all ****e Kinte so what about it...still a marketing debacle...Speaking of roots it's 1977 all over again, the year that Chebby brought back the Z28 from its 2 yr death - remember? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075572/

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by Mr_GTO

And will still be quicker around a race track than any pontiac ever built.....

My guess is it will be a few seconds slower than the ZL1 around the 'ring.

Yeah? That's nice.

[Firedup6975]

Almost every car lot in my town has at least one or more already traded in on their lots. Can you say..... BORINGGGGGGG!. Nothing personal Chris, but this is a PONTIAC Board darling.

[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by Firedup6975

Almost every car lot in my town has at least one or more already traded in on their lots. Can you say..... BORINGGGGGGG!. Nothing personal Chris, but this is a PONTIAC Board darling.

Just like Mustangs.....they sell a lot of them.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Alvin

The race

Same song, different verse

[Alvin]

I'm more into these

Originally Posted by Alvin

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by Firedup6975

Nothing personal Chris, but this is a PONTIAC Board darling.

Mary Ann

At least Chevrolet is part of GM - the company that Pontiac was part of.

For all the threads in the lobby about Ford and Chrysler products that we have endured, I think it's only fair that we are allowed to talk about GM performance cars.

If it's not ok to talk about GM performance cars here, then I think it's time to just shut down the whole board.