[takid455]

was thinking the same about those mags. Especially w/ the faux knock off caps. I'd rock the car as it sits.

[bossbirdta]

Originally Posted by eaglesan13

However, it's going to need to come apart again to repaint it the correct color, and if you're taking the front clip apart, doors, glass, etc to paint it right, you're going to pull the dash to repaint that area, and you're going buy new (GM) weatherstrips, and polish the brightwork, and buy the correct Rally II's, and new tires. While the engine is out to paint the firewall you may as well blast the subframe and redo the suspension. Better go through the brakes while you're at it. And while the engine is on a stand you may as well pull the pan and look inside, etc.... If you give a mouse a cookie! It would be a cool car when you're done though.

sounds easy don't it?.....by this time next year it could be finished & sitting up on Main St. in Auburn for the friday night cruse in

[eaglesan13]

LOL, I just did this to my 70 Formula, which is why I know how one thing leads to another. It took a lot longer than a year too. I have to admit, when I saw this 72 HO Formula for sale so close to me I gave some serious thought to dragging it home. Fortunately for me, it's been bid up well past what I would pay for it.

Are you coming up for the swap meet next weekend? I'm taking the Formula, so you can see it in person, maybe go for a ride...

Originally Posted by bossbirdta

sounds easy don't it?.....by this time next year it could be finished & sitting up on Main St. in Auburn for the friday night cruse in

[bossbirdta]

Originally Posted by eaglesan13

Are you coming up for the swap meet next weekend? I'm taking the Formula, so you can see it in person, maybe go for a ride...

....are you playing show and tell or parking it in the car corral with a For Sale sign on it?... should i bring the trailer???

[Norwood]

Originally Posted by njsteve

BTW those are vintage cast aluminum American Racing Wheel 200S "Daisy" wheels. Those are probably a $1000 set of mags when cleaned up nicely.

I have a set that I would sell for much less than that........

[2manyT/A'S]

Why don't you put them on your car?.......get rid of those old rally wheels.....time for a change?

[bossbirdta]

as it sit's right now, the bid's have exceeded what the car was offered at last week for sale in the classified's........with less then a day to go i wonder what its gonna take to met the NEW price.....

[eaglesan13]

Bring the trailer.

Originally Posted by bossbirdta

....are you playing show and tell or parking it in the car corral with a For Sale sign on it?... should i bring the trailer???

[njsteve]

Original trans. Original carb is gone from the ebay car. Here is the seller's response to my questions:

"Sorry for the delay I have the information you wanted. The carburetor code is 7042264 WG 1 guy told me that is not the original carburetor. The transmission is the original to the car the aluminum plate that is riveted to the transmission is 72 PQ 1688 I found the vin that matched the vin on the car. I'm putting up the pictures on eBay in 20 minutes."

[165th]

Question: is the baffle that bolts over the rocker arms a must have in an engine rebuild?

I would guess one purpose of the baffle is to be an oiler. Is there any other function for this part.

Does anyone have any experience with engine/valve life if the baffle is not installed?

It's part 5 in the exploded view illustration.

Thanks.

[1971455HO]

165th,

I posed this question when I was restoring my HO engine. The answer is NO. NJSteve weighed in on this issue when I mention here that I had replaced the original stamped steel rockers with roller tip rockers from Comp Cam. Fortunately, Steve told me I was fixing to hear a big clatter under the valve covers when i fired that Jessie up. Boy, was I glad he was on the forum that night. He jokingly said....guess how I know. Anyway the conversation went on to explain that Pontiac used the bolt on baffles/ drippers to ensure good oiling on their engines when they encountered long periods idling in slow bumper to bumper traffic. Later they replaced them with the dripper type valve covers and then eventually stopped doing anything after they realized they weren't needed.

I like them. I think they serve a good purpose, however small that may be. I like the fact that it keeps a lot of oil off the valve cover and controls splatter. My engine is none the worse for not running them though. I'm keeping them though for no other reason than they were were part of my original engine.

Some of the the more educated engine builders here may be able to add more light on the subject than me. Hope this helps.

Eddie

[2manyT/A'S]

It's Back..............

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ponti...item20d1d22b8a

[70FormulaCA]

Originally Posted by 2manyT/A'S

It's Back..............

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ponti...item20d1d22b8a

And at "no reserve" this time!

[74 SD455 Formula]

It got bid up to $17,6K last time. If it bid's any higher than that this time you know there will had been shill bidding going on.

[165th]

Originally Posted by 1971455HO

165th,

I posed this question when I was restoring my HO engine. The answer is NO. NJSteve weighed in on this issue when I mention here that I had replaced the original stamped steel rockers with roller tip rockers from Comp Cam. Fortunately, Steve told me I was fixing to hear a big clatter under the valve covers when i fired that Jessie up. Boy, was I glad he was on the forum that night. He jokingly said....guess how I know. Anyway the conversation went on to explain that Pontiac used the bolt on baffles/ drippers to ensure good oiling on their engines when they encountered long periods idling in slow bumper to bumper traffic. Later they replaced them with the dripper type valve covers and then eventually stopped doing anything after they realized they weren't needed.

I like them. I think they serve a good purpose, however small that may be. I like the fact that it keeps a lot of oil off the valve cover and controls splatter. My engine is none the worse for not running them though. I'm keeping them though for no other reason than they were were part of my original engine.

Some of the the more educated engine builders here may be able to add more light on the subject than me. Hope this helps.

Eddie

Thank you Eddie, that's just the kind of feedback I was looking for. Similar to the roller rockers, the stamped 1.65 RAIV rocker is sitting higher than stock due to the elongated valve stems. This was discussed in posts 1396 through 1398. This makes things crowded up near the bottom of the valve cover, but the valve cover does sit down nicely without the baffle.

Thanks also to NJSteve for daylighting this through R&D

Here's a picture of the completed assembly with the longer valves, upgraded springs and 1.65 rockers.

[1971455HO]

Sorry for not remembering which brand, maybe Fel-Pro, but I also remember post about thicker valve cover gaskets being available for guys running a little taller than stock valve train but wanting to retain their stock valve covers. Not the expert here, but I don't think you will need thicker gaskets with the 1.65 RA IV rockers.

I don't know if the RA IV engines came with the baffles, but somebody on here knows!

I remember some of the guys here that build & race really strong Pontiac engines, saying years ago a common practice was to use two gasket sets to achieve clearance with stock covers. You had to seal between them really good to not have any leaks and use longer bolts, but it worked just fine. It's not too obvious and most guys, except the eagle eyed, photographic Pontiac memory guys on here would ever detect it.

I admire all the detail you have put back into your engine. I know you want it right with no issues. It sucks to have to take one back apart after you have ran it and risk chipping paint and spilling oil on pristine parts outside of your engine. You probably know more than me, but really make sure you have your valves adjusted dead on and you don't have any clearance problems.

I had to take my covers back off after my car was totally reassembled. It was wired, hosed, all the fluids and ready to go. I was a day or two from firing it up when I found out the baffles would make contact with the aftermarket rockers. By the way, my car has AC also. See where I'm going. It sucks.

Your engine looks awsome.

Good luck,

Eddie

[starlightblack]

May have been posted before, but what the hey...

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[johnta1]

Cool reading.

[2manyT/A'S]

Good stuff & GREAT pictures...
What magazine was that in?

[starlightblack]

Originally Posted by 2manyT/A'S

Good stuff & GREAT pictures...
What magazine was that in?

Custom Car Magazine, March '72- a British mag with a bent towards american machinery.