[Bnick166]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

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are you drinking tonight? that doesn't even make sense

Haven't touched a drop....again....how long did it take you to make the e-head do what they are doing for you right now? How many years?

[blueghoast]

Originally Posted by Bnick166

Haven't touched a drop....again....how long did it take you to make the e-head do what they are doing for you right now? How many years?

LOL; The answer to that question is in development:
Ask again in about 7-Years. It'll take that long I'm sure.

GT.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Bnick166

Haven't touched a drop....again....how long did it take you to make the e-head do what they are doing for you right now? How many years?

you're dreaming with that logic. My crap sat for 6 years, when i brought it back out i was still faster than them guys after they had the first 5 years to figure it out while my junk slept in the trailer...

[Bnick166]

Originally Posted by mike leech

you're dreaming with that logic. My crap sat for 6 years, when i brought it back out i was still faster than them guys after they had the first 5 years to figure it out while my junk slept in the trailer...

How many years after 1995 did it take for your E-heads to do what your doing with them before you "put it to sleep"?

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Bnick166

How many years after 1995 did it take for your E-heads to do what your doing with them before you "put it to sleep"?

I did not buy them untill 2002. improved them twice. put to sleep in 2005 fall. The first time I John m attempted porting them with a shaft rocker, .400 offset it made 883 in 2004 at 488 cu in.



YOUR POINT?

[Bnick166]

Originally Posted by mike leech

I did not buy them untill 2002. improved them twice. put to sleep in 2005 fall. The first time I John m attempted porting them with a shaft rocker, .400 offset it made 883 in 2004 at 488 cu in.



YOUR POINT?

My point is you didn't buy them until 2002....but they were released in 1995. So, theoretically...the heads were out for 7 years before YOU got them to perform at that level....correct?
Conversely....it took you a very short time to make your mark w/ the pro ports. A great head shows results...and "fast" you say. Look at the time span between when the RPM's were 1st released and the time it took to put a N/A street car into the 7's.
You should have the Pro ports in the 7's this year...assumably. That makes the pro ports WAYYYY better than the RPM's..right? Just tryin' to get a handle on the logic that is being used.
They (RPM's) were out for 17 years before Jack got them to perform at the level that HE is at. I haven't followed the dates on Jeff's milestones....but it hasn't happened overnight....more like YEARS. Many years since the RPM's were released. Just tired of hearin' how the CV-1 have been out for SOOO long. Not really that long in the grand scheme of things. A few have hyped the cv-1's up and regretably...too soon. My CV-1 engine made 705 hp and I spec'd everything but the cam. I'm a truck mechanic by trade. I can weld, paint, wire and just about anything else when I put my mind to it. I'm not an engine building specialist by any means....but 700 hp on pump gas is fine by me...for now.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Bnick166

My point is you didn't buy them until 2002....but they were released in 1995. So, theoretically...the heads were out for 7 years before YOU got them to perform at that level....correct?
Conversely....it took you a very short time to make your mark w/ the pro ports. A great head shows results...and "fast" you say. Look at the time span between when the RPM's were 1st released and the time it took to put a N/A street car into the 7's.
You should have the Pro ports in the 7's this year...assumably. That makes the pro ports WAYYYY better than the RPM's..right? Just tryin' to get a handle on the logic that is being used.
They (RPM's) were out for 17 years before Jack got them to perform at the level that HE is at. I haven't followed the dates on Jeff's milestones....but it hasn't happened overnight....more like YEARS. Many years since the RPM's were released. Just tired of hearin' how the CV-1 have been out for SOOO long. Not really that long in the grand scheme of things. A few have hyped the cv-1's up and regretably...too soon. My CV-1 engine made 705 hp and I spec'd everything but the cam. I'm a truck mechanic by trade. I can weld, paint, wire and just about anything else when I put my mind to it. I'm not an engine building specialist by any means....but 700 hp on pump gas is fine by me...for now.

Sigh...Face palm...throw up in my mouth a little. YOU are trying way to hard to justify the difference in performance by assigning a time frame? Look, if i had those heads they woulda either belted out some real power, got fixed so they did or sold. PERIOD,and all in less than 2 years. So you think if we give everybody with cv1s "more time" they will catch up? I promise you that has nothing to do with it.
So i should go ahead and be impressed in advance and just wait till i finally get beat in a heads up race by them. Of course over this waiting period i wont get faster though...right?

You're living the CV1 dream......no need to wake up.

All this aside I will go on record and say that I am sure I could bust 1000 hp with them. First try...guaranteed. I'll be yawning with a great big sticker waiting for the CV royalty to arrive so I can present it to them.

I'd actually like it gone so I'll lower the bar and just "give it" to any cv car with the stones to line up win or lose. That should be attainable....right?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Sigh...Face palm...throw up in my mouth a little. YOU are trying way to hard to justify the difference in performance by assigning a time frame? Look, if i had those heads they woulda either belted out some real power, got fixed so they did or sold. PERIOD,and all in less than 2 years. So you think if we give everybody with cv1s "more time" they will catch up? I promise you that has nothing to do with it.
So i should go ahead and be impressed in advance and just wait till i finally get beat in a heads up race by them. Of course over this waiting period i wont get faster though...right?

You're living the CV1 dream......no need to wake up.

All this aside I will go on record and say that I am sure I could bust 1000 hp with them. First try...guaranteed. I'll be yawning with a great big sticker waiting for the CV royalty to arrive so I can present it to them.

I'd actually like it gone so I'll lower the bar and just "give it" to any cv car with the stones to line up win or lose. That should be attainable....right?

How are you going to make a 1000 HP with CV1s when you cant even do it with E-heads?

[Bnick166]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Sigh...Face palm...throw up in my mouth a little. YOU are trying way to hard to justify the difference in performance by assigning a time frame? Look, if i had those heads they woulda either belted out some real power, got fixed so they did or sold. PERIOD,and all in less than 2 years. So you think if we give everybody with cv1s "more time" they will catch up? I promise you that has nothing to do with it.
So i should go ahead and be impressed in advance and just wait till i finally get beat in a heads up race by them. Of course over this waiting period i wont get faster though...right?

You're living the CV1 dream......no need to wake up.

All this aside I will go on record and say that I am sure I could bust 1000 hp with them. First try...guaranteed. I'll be yawning with a great big sticker waiting for the CV royalty to arrive so I can present it to them.

I'd actually like it gone so I'll lower the bar and just "give it" to any cv car with the stones to line up win or lose. That should be attainable....right?

O.K.....Thanks for proving my point. John (post #110) and yourself (post #111) have both stated that YOU, YOURSELVES could make this a viable head that all of the pisser (including yourselves) could admire. All it will take is time (remember the timeframe thing), money and the will and ability to do so.
That's all I need to confirm.
NOW I feel a whole lot better about all of this bickering...or should I say mindless drivel that 2 professionals have put to rest.
Thank You to all who participated in my experiment.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Bnick166

How many years after 1995 did it take for your E-heads to do what your doing with them before you "put it to sleep"?

did i mention david butler ran 7's ten years ago with e-heads and nitrous..


just sayin..

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Bnick166

How many years after 1995 did it take for your E-heads to do what your doing with them before you "put it to sleep"?

THE E-HEAD IS A PERFORMER RPM STREET HEAD NOT AN OUT OF THE BOX 360 + CFM CANTED VALVE HEAD..

THATS THE DIFFERENCE..

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

THE E-HEAD IS A PERFORMER RPM STREET HEAD NOT AN OUT OF THE BOX 360 + CFM CANTED VALVE HEAD..

THATS THE DIFFERENCE..

Unless someone is running the heads the way they came out of the box, what differences does it make how they come out of the box?

Stan

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Unless someone is running the heads the way they came out of the box, what differences does it make how they come out of the box?

Stan

The Open Chamber CV-1's are faster then the same cc Edelbrock out of the box heads with a 305 cfm port/valve job clean up.

It's after this point that the discussion is ongoing as to money spend for resulted achieved.

[S/st 54]

Originally Posted by PONTIAC DUDE

The Open Chamber CV-1's are faster then the same cc Edelbrock out of the box heads with a 305 cfm port/valve job clean up.

It's after this point that the discussion is ongoing as to money spend for resulted achieved.

How long did you run cv-1's before you said no mas?

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

THE E-HEAD IS A PERFORMER RPM STREET HEAD NOT AN OUT OF THE BOX 360 + CFM CANTED VALVE HEAD..

THATS THE DIFFERENCE..

Actually it is a REPLACEMENT head for the old 70's RA IV heads. Cost for cast iron RAIV's was exceeding $2000 back used then and Edelbrock saw a market for their $1400 ALUMINUM heads at that time.
Getting over 400cfm out of a 40 year old replacement design now is awesome. The CV-1's are a new High Performance concept right out of the box same as the Tiger and KRE high port concept.

So shouldn't the comparison be to those rather then the LOWLY Edelbrock heads?

[Blued and Painted]

Originally Posted by PONTIAC DUDE

Actually it is a REPLACEMENT head for the old 70's RA IV heads. The CV-1's are a new High Performance concept right out of the box same as the Tiger and KRE high port concept.

So shouldn't the comparison be to those rather then the LOWLY Edelbrock heads?

I think you nailed it.

[Bnick166]

Originally Posted by PONTIAC DUDE

So shouldn't the comparison be to those rather then the LOWLY Edelbrock heads?

No comparisons being made, Ken
These guys wanna flap their gums about the CV-1 being out for 7 years.....yet it took the same guys nearly 17 years to achieve their results w/ the E-heads.......just sayin'

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Bnick166

No comparisons being made, Ken
These guys wanna flap their gums about the CV-1 being out for 7 years.....yet it took the same guys nearly 17 years to achieve their results w/ the E-heads.......just sayin'

We have not been trying to go fast with E-heads for 17 years!

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by PONTIAC DUDE

Actually it is a REPLACEMENT head for the old 70's RA IV heads. Cost for cast iron RAIV's was exceeding $2000 back used then and Edelbrock saw a market for their $1400 ALUMINUM heads at that time.
Getting over 400cfm out of a 40 year old replacement design now is awesome. The CV-1's are a new High Performance concept right out of the box same as the Tiger and KRE high port concept.

So shouldn't the comparison be to those rather then the LOWLY Edelbrock heads?

They should compare better than a typical Butler wideport that was common around 2008. Maybe you been out of the loop or maybe too much bad goin on for you Ken... Heres a fair dyno comparison of CV1 vs Wideport... http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=729980 Track testing is planned for later this year unless Dick has a surprise for all of us at Norwalk. My hunch is Dicks track testing will back up the dyno tests...

IIRC the CV1 was intended to be an alternative to a wideport E head. It pretty much was starting where the wideport was starting to level out and harder to get gains.

With your hydraulic roller cam testing.... I dont think typical out of box Butler type wideport available then would have done any better than your cv1 tests... You went with lesser flowing heads better suited to your cam preference and picked up... obviously combo matters. We have learned alot more since then havent we?

Charlie Sikes screwed you Ken. NOT Jim or Bill or Calvin. Had Charlie been capable of delivering you a head close to his broken promise, things would have gone much better for you. By screwing you Charlie screwed the cv program.
Personally I think its long overdue for you and Jim to reset your situation somehow.

You both got screwed in that deal and need to remind yourself who's eye you should be pokin' .


PS hope you and Karen are getting ahead of the health setbacks.

[john marcella]

I got a test for ya, RACE ME !