[GREATGTO]

[QUOTE=mjm421;4982449]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

What's the average Pontiac owner?

Mid 13 second rides with ram air 4 cams, running cragar ss wheels.Sad but true, so am I wrong or not? I'd sure like to know how these two guys supposedly have done so much for the pontiac community, when most would never even give them a call or know who they are because of the stuff they work on. Few and far between.

Now if someone said the Butlers or Kauffmans have done a lot of the pontiac community then there would be no argument, even edelbrock. But John M and Gaby, Seriously? I think Tom is getting senile.

He remembers history that never happen lol

[mjm421]

[QUOTE=GREATGTO;4982453]

Originally Posted by mjm421

Mid 13 second rides with ram air 4 cams, running cragar ss wheels.Sad but true, so am I wrong or not? I'd sure like to know how these two guys supposedly have done so much for the pontiac community, when most would never even give them a call or know who they are because of the stuff they work on. Few and far between.

Now if someone said the Butlers or Kauffmans have done a lot of the pontiac community then there would be no argument, even edelbrock. But John M and Gaby, Seriously? I think Tom is getting senile.

Here is the deal. You're probably close on the average. But higher end racers and those who might want to be one day see Marcella's and Gaby's cars going exceptionally quick they realize a 10 or 9 second Pontiac shouldnt be a problem at all. They keep a lot of people from degrading our cars with "corporate engines. I suppose you don't think Langer or Kinsler do anything for us either?

[GREATGTO]

[QUOTE=mjm421;4982463]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Here is the deal. You're probably close on the average. But higher end racers and those who might want to be one day see Marcella's and Gaby's cars going exceptionally quick they realize a 10 or 9 second Pontiac shouldnt be a problem at all. They keep a lot of people from degrading our cars with "corporate engines. I suppose you don't think Langer or Kinsler do anything for us either?

Langer and Kinsler? lol, is this a serious question? Like I said, Butlers and Kauffman have done more than anyone, because they keep the average pontiac guys car alive, even PY can be thrown in the mix, for they all supply parts the average guy can use.

Whats the cheapest pontiac part or service either of them offer the pontiac community?

[mjm421]

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Langer and Kinsler? lol, is this a serious question? Like I said, Butlers and Kauffman have done more than anyone, because they keep the average pontiac guys car alive, even PY can be thrown in the mix, for they all supply parts the average guy can use.

The cheapest and probably best thing they provide is exposure. I race. I don't go to SEMA to look at motors on stands. I go to the track. I see Langer, Kinsler and Marcella's motors and watch THEM race. I see Gaydosh, Rex, the Butlers and Kaufmans. If you don't think the manufacturers' don't learn from the racers you are a fool. Well come to think of it , you probably don't.

[GREATGTO]

[QUOTE=mjm421;4982494][QUOTE=GREATGTO;4982473]

Originally Posted by mjm421

Langer and Kinsler? lol, is this a serious question? Like I said, Butlers and Kauffman have done more than anyone, because they keep the average pontiac guys car alive, even PY can be thrown in the mix, for they all supply parts the average guy can use.

The cheapest and probably best thing they provide is exposure. I race. I don't go to SEMA to look at motors on stands. I go to the track. I see Langer, Kinsler and Marcella's motors and watch THEM race. I see Gaydosh, Rex, the Butlers and Kaufmans. If you don't think the manufacturers' don't learn from the racers you are a fool. Well come to think of it , you probably don't.

So what are some of the things you believe they have learned from them that has not been known for many years? Be specific.



Don't the Butlers and Kauffman's have their own race programs for product development?

I mean if either of them want to post on here and give John or Gaby or any of the others mentioned credit for their product development that would be great

[R 70 Judge]

Sounds like GREATGTO needs a snickers

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

Sounds like GREATGTO needs a snickers

Nice engine you have there, but its not enough.

[mjm421]

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Originally Posted by GREATGTO

So what are some of the things you believe they have learned from them that has not been known for many years? Be specific.

Don't the Butlers and Kauffman's have their own race programs for product development?

Did you recently see the post of John welding up the Tiger head?

[GREATGTO]

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Originally Posted by mjm421

Did you recently see the post of John welding up the Tiger head?

So no one else could weld up a port?

damn , John is special

ps, people are always welding up tiger heads somewhere ..usually between the exhaust valves