[Stan Weiss]

While I have had a very disagreements with John, I have no doubt that he could design a clean sheet of paper new head that would be excellent. But John is in business to make money. How many people here would buy his heads if you needed new pistons, camshaft, valve train, intake, exhaust, and even new valve covers? It is all about ROI

Stan

[johnta1]

But John is in business to make money. How many people here would buy his heads if you needed new pistons, camshaft, valve train, intake, exhaust, and even new valve covers? It is all about ROI

That's probably very true.

But I know that KRE are true Pontiac fanatics, and do it for the pride of getting the power from the Pontiac engine.

Their business is probably just a 'perk', if it makes money, that means more money for other innovations.

If one is in it for just the money aspect, they would do better in the chevy world.

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by johnta1

That's probably very true.

But I know that KRE are true Pontiac fanatics, and do it for the pride of getting the power from the Pontiac engine.

Their business is probably just a 'perk', if it makes money, that means more money for other innovations.

If one is in it for just the money aspect, they would do better in the chevy world.

Good thing KRE developed the D-Port! Just a few guys willing to spend the money for the high end stuff. KRE has done tons for the Pontiac community, they are also able to keep costs down by where there business is located. If KRE was located in Chicago, they would have to charge 25% more just to cover the taxes.

The fact they developed the warp head, it's worth $10k to $12k IMO.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

While I have had a very disagreements with John, I have no doubt that he could design a clean sheet of paper new head that would be excellent. But John is in business to make money. How many people here would buy his heads if you needed new pistons, camshaft, valve train, intake, exhaust, and even new valve covers? It is all about ROI

Stan

Looked in to it 1.5 years ago. I wanted to do 100 sets in the 1st year to justify the effort.

Only did about 2 hours of research on the potential market and didn't need to go any further. After that I have come to the conclusion that any one that makes a Pontiac race head.....is because they want to do it, not because they think they can make money.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Looked in to it 1.5 years ago. I wanted to do 100 sets in the 1st year to justify the effort.

Only did about 2 hours of research on the potential market and didn't need to go any further. After that I have come to the conclusion that any one that makes a Pontiac race head.....is because they want to do it, not because they think they can make money.

John,
I know in volume casting is much cheaper, but it has a much higher up front cost than CNC. With the cost of CNC dropping ever year. How many sets of billet heads would you need to sell @ $10K ported to break even?

Stan

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

John,
I know in volume casting is much cheaper, but it has a much higher up front cost than CNC. With the cost of CNC dropping ever year. How many sets of billet heads would you need to sell @ $10K ported to break even?

Stan

3 to 5 sets and I would do it. But that's because I want to

[johnta1]

This post is by me, remember?

Supposed to say, this thread is not by me.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by john marcella

3 to 5 sets and I would do it. But that's because I want to

I am a dreamer. I can see 525-530 cfm @ 1" lift from a 2.38" valve. My problem is I do not know the Pontiac framework that well and weather this can be done without moving things like head bolt holes.

Stan