[goatwgn]

Originally Posted by 1050goat

The new forums don't bother me. I can scroll past them, it's no big deal. But IMHO, the last true Pontiac rolled off the line in 1979.

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The new forums don't bother me. I can scroll past them, it's no big deal. But IMHO, the last true Pontiac rolled off the line in 1979.

Sooo, my 1st brand new Pontiac, a 1980 Grand Am with the 301 "PONTIAC" motor wasn't a REAL PONTIAC?


I feel so ashamed,

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Originally Posted by Transporter

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The new forums don't bother me. I can scroll past them, it's no big deal. But IMHO, the last true Pontiac rolled off the line in 1979.

Sooo, my 1st brand new Pontiac, a 1980 Grand Am with the 301 "PONTIAC" motor wasn't a REAL PONTIAC?


I feel so ashamed,

Actually I was agreeing with the "scrolling" past part of that post. Last Pontiac was made in 1981 IMO. Sorry about that. I like those Grand AMs Good cruiser cars.

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Originally Posted by Transporter

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The new forums don't bother me. I can scroll past them, it's no big deal. But IMHO, the last true Pontiac rolled off the line in 1979.

Sooo, my 1st brand new Pontiac, a 1980 Grand Am with the 301 "PONTIAC" motor wasn't a REAL PONTIAC?


I feel so ashamed,

Just my opinion, don't take it personal.

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Originally Posted by 1050goat

Just my opinion, don't take it personal.

I guess I just don't see how a 301 is not a real Pontiac motor, or a GA is not a real Pontiac?

Yeah, the GA and the other div, shared a lot on that body, but the 301 is all Pontiac, unless you would also not include the 301 Turbo T/A's as not real Pontiac's.

I guess another way to look at it would be this, do you consider a 64/65 Lemans with a six in it a real Pontiac?

You are by all means entitled to your opinion, but that is a pretty slippery slope you have started down.

[Hillard]

Originally Posted by Transporter

I guess I just don't see how a 301 is not a real Pontiac motor, or a GA is not a real Pontiac?

Yeah, the GA and the other div, shared a lot on that body, but the 301 is all Pontiac, unless you would also not include the 301 Turbo T/A's as not real Pontiac's.

I guess another way to look at it would be this, do you consider a 64/65 Lemans with a six in it a real Pontiac?

You are by all means entitled to your opinion, but that is a pretty slippery slope you have started down.

Wow, I guess I really did offend you. Like I said, it wasn't personal. Since the can of worms has been opened.....
The 301 is obviously a Pontiac motor. However, it's never been considered a real performer, not even the turbo. It was built with a light weak casting and was intended to b nothing more than a grocery getter. They can be dependable engines. I've owned a few 79-80 GP's with the 301, but only used them through the winter while I was storing my 69GP. I've also owned several 75-77 GP's. I really like the 77's for their style and have owned one with a 301 and one with a 400. I'll take the 400. The 301 just didn't have enough power to move that big car. Another reason why the downsized in 78. The only reason I said 79 was the last year was the TA with the 400. Other than liking the style of the 77GP I really don't care too much for anything past 73. I just look at the mid-70's as the time when they started thinking more about how to make it cheaper and get more mpg. IMO...it all went downhill from there. BTW...I've also owned a 93 Bonneville SSE and currently have an 02 SSEI. The 02 SSEI is up for sale as I now drive my 72 Lemans every day.

I apologize for offending anyone. It wasn't my intent. I was merely stating my opinion. I've owned my 69 GP since 1985 and absolutely love it. If you told me it was ugly, that's ok, it's your opinion.

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Originally Posted by 1050goat

Wow, I guess I really did offend you. Like I said, it wasn't personal. Since the can of worms has been opened.....
The 301 is obviously a Pontiac motor. However, it's never been considered a real performer, not even the turbo. It was built with a light weak casting and was intended to b nothing more than a grocery getter. They can be dependable engines. I've owned a few 79-80 GP's with the 301, but only used them through the winter while I was storing my 69GP. I've also owned several 75-77 GP's. I really like the 77's for their style and have owned one with a 301 and one with a 400. I'll take the 400. The 301 just didn't have enough power to move that big car. Another reason why the downsized in 78. The only reason I said 79 was the last year was the TA with the 400. Other than liking the style of the 77GP I really don't care too much for anything past 73. I just look at the mid-70's as the time when they started thinking more about how to make it cheaper and get more mpg. IMO...it all went downhill from there. BTW...I've also owned a 93 Bonneville SSE and currently have an 02 SSEI. The 02 SSEI is up for sale as I now drive my 72 Lemans every day.

I apologize for offending anyone. It wasn't my intent. I was merely stating my opinion. I've owned my 69 GP since 1985 and absolutely love it. If you told me it was ugly, that's ok, it's your opinion.

Naw 1050, I don't take it personal, and you didn't offend me, as I said, you are entitled to your opinion, I was just trying to find out where you "drew the line" that's all.

I do realize that the 301 was an anemic engine compared to it's fore fathers, but it was a product of it's time, and I can tell you my G/A would run neck and neck with either of it's contemporaries, that being a Monte SS or an Olds 442 of that day.

I have several OLD Pontiacs that I love dearly, from an orig, 69 FB 400 cp to another 69 T/A conv, clone, and at last count I have 5 63 Tempest/lemans, along with many others, but I also have the last fast Pontiac, as in a G8 GXP.

I just think that bickering about where to draw the line is a moot point. Just enjoy what you like and leave the rest alone, that's all I am saying, I don't understand WHY there has to be a "line".