[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

I seen the heads first hand and they are awesome. Well done Jack.

They are clearly the nicest heads I've seen that will install on a Pontiac block. The chambers look good, valve angles feed the cylinders well, and the combustion chambers are a work of art that are softened to work well with N2O. The heads are the premier Pontiac head I've seen to this point. The ports are awesome, period.

That should put Lil Jack to a 7.40 sec - 180 mph et NA at his weight with a Pro Stock style head. That would put him with a little squeeze at 500 hp would put you at a 6.80 ET at 197 mph. We are all looking forward to you kicking but with the new Pro Stock style heads sir.

I'm looking forward to a great 2014 pushing Pontiac engine developmen forward.

PETTFMF!

Your smoking some good stuff!! Remember its still a PONTIAC engine!! best case would be low 7.20's at his weight which would be awesome!

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Aaron,
I do not have him running as fast as you do N/A but that is because I have him making less N/A HP than you but with 500 Hp Nitrous am about the same as you.

Note I do not know if the car can fit a tire and run these kinds of 60 foot times.

My Nitrous simulation.

60 Foot ET = 1.0458
330 Foot ET = 2.8491
1/8 Mile ET = 4.3649
1/8 Mile MPH = 162.0939
1000 Foot ET = 5.6747
1/4 Mile ET = 6.7857
1/4 Mile MPH = 203.4025

Stan

PS - The 500 HP nitrous I am using is the normal rear wheel rate systems.

holy crap your smoking what aaron is!!

[Aaron Quinton]

You know those heads are aweseome man. There's no reason an engine with those heads can't deliver Pro Stock NA Power kind of numbers.

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

Your smoking some good stuff!! Remember its still a PONTIAC engine!! best case would be low 7.20's at his weight which would be awesome!



holy crap your smoking what aaron is!!

[Daniel Barton]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

You know those heads are aweseome man. There's no reason an engine with those heads can't deliver Pro Stock NA Power kind of numbers.

There are a plethora of reasons why it cant!

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

Your smoking some good stuff!! Remember its still a PONTIAC engine!! best case would be low 7.20's at his weight which would be awesome!



holy crap your smoking what aaron is!!

Jeff,
As I said is there anyway Lil Jacks car can run 1.04 60 foot time?

Slowing the 60 foot time to a 1.17

60 Foot ET = 1.1709
330 Foot ET = 3.0281
1/8 Mile ET = 4.5544
1/8 Mile MPH = 161.2175
1000 Foot ET = 5.8694
1/4 Mile ET = 6.9832
1/4 Mile MPH = 202.9718

This is also at a DA = 0 or perfect day.

Stan

PS - Is Lil Jack ever going to spray 500 HP?

[GTOGEORGE]

Water?


GTO George

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Water?


GTO George

Yes.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Jeff,
As I said is there anyway Lil Jacks car can run 1.04 60 foot time?

Slowing the 60 foot time to a 1.17

60 Foot ET = 1.1709
330 Foot ET = 3.0281
1/8 Mile ET = 4.5544
1/8 Mile MPH = 161.2175
1000 Foot ET = 5.8694
1/4 Mile ET = 6.9832
1/4 Mile MPH = 202.9718

This is also at a DA = 0 or perfect day.

Stan

PS - Is Lil Jack ever going to spray 500 HP?

still think your shooting for the moon!!

[Elarson]

The heads look like they have tons of potential. The final outcome will be dependent on coordinated ideas for the rest of the package, lots of R&D dollars and lots of laps. Jack has a bunch of work ahead of him. Props to him for making the commitment!!

Eric

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

still think your shooting for the moon!!

Jeff,
And what is wrong with that.

If I turn the nitrous off and just run it N/A.

60 Foot ET = 1.1785
330 Foot ET = 3.2024
1/8 Mile ET = 4.9139
1/8 Mile MPH = 143.4630
1000 Foot ET = 6.4062
1/4 Mile ET = 7.6682
1/4 Mile MPH = 179.4297

Again DA = 0. Can Lil Jack's car run that 60 foot time?

Stan

PS - So I have the 500 rear wheel nitrous HP good for almost .7 seconds and over 20 MPH.

PSS - Edit - Just some you know what I am working with I added a graph of the HP curve.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Jeff,
And what is wrong with that.

If I turn the nitrous off and just run it N/A.

60 Foot ET = 1.1785
330 Foot ET = 3.2024
1/8 Mile ET = 4.9139
1/8 Mile MPH = 143.4630
1000 Foot ET = 6.4062
1/4 Mile ET = 7.6682
1/4 Mile MPH = 179.4297

Again DA = 0. Can Lil Jack's car run that 60 foot time?

Stan

PS - So I have the 500 rear wheel nitrous HP good for almost .7 seconds and over 20 MPH.

PSS - Edit - Just some you know what I am working with I added a graph of the HP curve.

If it ran that on the spray the first year, I would be very happy!

This motor in NA form would not make anywhere near 1600 HP

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

If it ran that on the spray the first year, I would be very happy!

This motor in NA form would not make anywhere near 1600 HP

Lil Jack,

If you look at the graph I posted, I have it making 1315 N/A HP and that is just a WAG. As I said those times are with DA = 0 and how many time have you run at DA = 0? What is the best 60 foot your car has ever run? I adjusted the traction so you run 1.22 60 foot like Kinsler did last year.

60 Foot ET = 1.2209
330 Foot ET = 3.2574
1/8 Mile ET = 4.9717
1/8 Mile MPH = 143.3027
1000 Foot ET = 6.4653
1/4 Mile ET = 7.7281
1/4 Mile MPH = 179.3339

I can then adjust for a DA of of around 2700 feet

60 Foot ET = 1.2250
330 Foot ET = 3.3040
1/8 Mile ET = 5.0577
1/8 Mile MPH = 140.1836
1000 Foot ET = 6.5846
1/4 Mile ET = 7.8777
1/4 Mile MPH = 175.1525

And last but not less almost everyone things my simulations are to optimistic.

Stan

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Jeff,
As I said is there anyway Lil Jacks car can run 1.04 60 foot time?

Slowing the 60 foot time to a 1.17

60 Foot ET = 1.1709
330 Foot ET = 3.0281
1/8 Mile ET = 4.5544
1/8 Mile MPH = 161.2175
1000 Foot ET = 5.8694
1/4 Mile ET = 6.9832
1/4 Mile MPH = 202.9718

This is also at a DA = 0 or perfect day.

Stan

PS - Is Lil Jack ever going to spray 500 HP?

I know it has a blower but is running 275s and weighs 3460.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=624710

Stan

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

I know it has a blower but is running 275s and weighs 3460.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=624710

Stan

F-3R -136, is a big difference then a little bit of nitrous on a car.

[johnta1]

That's the easiest way to beat a nitrous Pontiac. Go two out of three hahahaha

Especially back to back, like 'round robin'?

Come right back to line to race after crossing finish line.

[David Holmberg]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Especially back to back, like 'round robin'?

Come right back to line to race after crossing finish line.

I think Jeff has proven that his Nitrous Pontiac can round robin and run like a bracket car, on a little radial tire.

I've been involved with enough heads up racing to know that ANY form of poweradder can and will blow the tires off without warning.

JMHO, Justin has the potential to make a lot more power than Lil Jack. Given the fact that both cars have to make it down the track on a given day, the race is a pick to me.

[Aaron Quinton]

I agree with your post. I think Justin was referring to how many runs can be made back to back before the bottles have to be refilled. My guess is it's less than 3.

Originally Posted by David Holmberg

I think Jeff has proven that his Nitrous Pontiac can round robin and run like a bracket car, on a little radial tire.

I've been involved with enough heads up racing to know that ANY form of poweradder can and will blow the tires off without warning.

JMHO, Justin has the potential to make a lot more power than Lil Jack. Given the fact that both cars have to make it down the track on a given day, the race is a pick to me.

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by David Holmberg

I think Jeff has proven that his Nitrous Pontiac can round robin and run like a bracket car, on a little radial tire.

I've been involved with enough heads up racing to know that ANY form of poweradder can and will blow the tires off without warning.

JMHO, Justin has the potential to make a lot more power than Lil Jack. Given the fact that both cars have to make it down the track on a given day, the race is a pick to me.

And a High HP NA car would'nt do the same thing to the tire as a PA car --- ???? explain your reasoning please?????

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

F-3R -136, is a big difference then a little bit of nitrous on a car.

Lil Jack,
I only have you spraying 2 250 HP kits. Its not like I want you to use 4 or 5 kits and spray 1000 plus HP like the Pro Mod's. I do not think this will be of any help but here is how the computer ramped the 2 systems.

Stan

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

F-3R -136, is a big difference then a little bit of nitrous on a car.

QFT!!

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

I know it has a blower but is running 275s and weighs 3460.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=624710

Stan

it has an F-3 for christ sakes on it and its NOT a pontiac... do you get that????