[johnta1]

We all know that the more power pulses that happen in a given amount of time more work is being done -- therfore a better E.T.. An extreem example would be a 400 hp diesle where power is maxed at 2200rpm and a 400hp small block making max at 7000, given the same weight and set up properly the small block will win the race.

Tell me this truck is slower than Jack's car?

Bank's Diesel truck

1300 HP @ 5500 RPM

Jack making 1300 HP (?) @ 8000 RPM (?)

So you guys reasoning the diesel is a pig right?

Double quoted for double stupidity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike leech
they don't want to get it.

I really don't know what I could say to further what I mean. All I know is its faster at the higher rpm.... I know this for a fact... I'm not saying know it all .Just what my car likes....

Neither of you seem to get it?

Charlie if you're going faster at the higher RPM, then you weren't making your peak power where you thought?

Running quick at a higher RPM is not the question here?

It's 2 different engines at the SAME HP but different RPM's.

It takes a certain amount of HP to run an ET at a given weight.
How it makes that HP is not real important.
(or by what engine manufacturer)

If Leech has 1000HP NOS engine and I have a 1000 HP N/A engine, in the same weight/car they should run exactly the same.

If they don't the slower car needs to work on his combo to utilize that HP.

Simple as that.

Can't explain it any better.

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Tell me this truck is slower than Jack's car?

Bank's Diesel truck

1300 HP @ 5500 RPM

Jack making 1300 HP (?) @ 8000 RPM (?)

So you guys reasoning the diesel is a pig right?





Double quoted for double stupidity.






Neither of you seem to get it?

Charlie if you're going faster at the higher RPM, then you weren't making your peak power where you thought?

Running quick at a higher RPM is not the question here?

It's 2 different engines at the SAME HP but different RPM's.

It takes a certain amount of HP to run an ET at a given weight.
How it makes that HP is not real important.
(or by what engine manufacturer)

If Leech has 1000HP NOS engine and I have a 1000 HP N/A engine, in the same weight/car they should run exactly the same.

If they don't the slower car needs to work on his combo to utilize that HP.

Simple as that.

Can't explain it any better.

I thought you guys were comparing 2 different engines making the same hp at different rpm peaks.. I have a question. Why would the motor spinning faster not effect the shift from hitting the tire harder. Its like if I punch the wall from 3"s away and then punch it from 12"s away . The momentum helps the impact. I would think the rotating assembly spinning faster would have that same effect.. If I got the question wrong, Then I apologize.. I also think if you are shifting higher then it will drop the same amount because the fact of, more rpm more tire speed .
I dynoed my motor in the car. I do know exactly where it made peak hp..

As for the comparison of the NOS car and the NA car. I would think the 2 would have different characteristics. Which may change where it would perform the best down the track.. As for which on is better got me , Just sayin....

[johnta1]

I also think if you are shifting higher then it will drop the same amount because the fact of, more rpm more tire speed .
I dynoed my motor in the car. I do know exactly where it made peak hp..

As for the comparison of the NOS car and the NA car. I would think the 2 would have different characteristics. Which may change where it would perform the best down the track.. As for which on is better got me , Just sayin....

1st dynoing in the car is one of the problems with that style setup.
It's not good for telling how it reacts going down the strip.
Plus lots of things can detract from the 'HP' number they give you.
(tire/roller slip, converter cars not using the converter right, etc)

The gear change RPM situation is a combination problem, not the HP problem?
You need to figure out where the engine likes to run with your power band.
The HP is the same whether you shift at 6800 or 7500 at each respective RPM point.

So if it likes to go faster at 7500 RPM, shift there?

[johnta1]

The higher I shift the better my engine sounds and that makes me feel better

Yep.



Until you find the breaking point or the power falls off drastically.

As said before, it's not how high you can rev the engine.

[Jeff Kinsler]

you guys have way to much free time on your hands

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

you guys have way to much free time on your hands

Or maybe you don't have enough?

[johnta1]

Your comparing a vehicle that weighs about 1000 pounds less than Jacks car to his, and you believe that you have explained this? Please explain why at 1300 hp at 5500 it runs a half a second slower than a legal pro stock truck making about 1000 hp at 9800.

I take it that you are talking about the diesel truck for the 1300 HP and what about the 'pro stock truck'?

What PS truck only makes 1000 HP?

Some of these guys are talking about different HP cars along with weights not running as fast or whatever.
They were saying a low RPM car couldn't run.
That's why I posted the diesel thing. Not really saying it was an equal race.
If it was in Jack's car, it would run the same as he does now.
(actually if the diesel guy did the chassis work, probably run faster than Jack's engine )

Then they also say the HP unit is different between a NOS engine and a NA engine.
That unit of HP cares less how it is made.
HP is KING baby.

If Leech has 1000HP NOS engine and I have a 1000 HP N/A engine, in the same weight/car they should run exactly the same.

This is the pertinent info.

QFT

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I take it that you are talking about the diesel truck for the 1300 HP and what about the 'pro stock truck'?

What PS truck only makes 1000 HP?

Some of these guys are talking about different HP cars along with weights not running as fast or whatever.
They were saying a low RPM car couldn't run.
That's why I posted the diesel thing. Not really saying it was an equal race.
If it was in Jack's car, it would run the same as he does now.
(actually if the diesel guy did the chassis work, probably run faster than Jack's engine )

Then they also say the HP unit is different between a NOS engine and a NA engine.
That unit of HP cares less how it is made.
HP is KING baby.





This is the pertinent info.

QFT

trying to have a conversation with you is like trying to have a conversation with a liberal...deflect,change the subject, ignore the results, Make up retarded irrelevant comparisons ignoring the facts.

EVEN STANS SKEWD COMPARISON SHOWS HIGHER AVERAGE HP for the smaller engine? CAN"T YOU GUYS SEE IT?

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I take it that you are talking about the diesel truck for the 1300 HP and what about the 'pro stock truck'?

What PS truck only makes 1000 HP?

Some of these guys are talking about different HP cars along with weights not running as fast or whatever.
They were saying a low RPM car couldn't run.
That's why I posted the diesel thing. Not really saying it was an equal race.
If it was in Jack's car, it would run the same as he does now.
(actually if the diesel guy did the chassis work, probably run faster than Jack's engine )

Then they also say the HP unit is different between a NOS engine and a NA engine.
That unit of HP cares less how it is made.
HP is KING baby.





This is the pertinent info.

QFT

John,
Let start by saying that these graphs are computer simulations. There is a difference in what happens if you add 100 N/A HP and add 100 Nitrous HP. The base HP is 967. You see a big difference in the lower part of the curves between the N/A increase and the Nitrous increase (which is greater).

Stan

[Daniel Barton]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I take it that you are talking about the diesel truck for the 1300 HP and what about the 'pro stock truck'?

What PS truck only makes 1000 HP?

Some of these guys are talking about different HP cars along with weights not running as fast or whatever.
They were saying a low RPM car couldn't run.
That's why I posted the diesel thing. Not really saying it was an equal race.
If it was in Jack's car, it would run the same as he does now.
(actually if the diesel guy did the chassis work, probably run faster than Jack's engine )

Then they also say the HP unit is different between a NOS engine and a NA engine.
That unit of HP cares less how it is made.
HP is KING baby.





This is the pertinent info.

QFT

Only 1000???? Since the maximum cubic inch was 358 and that is damn near 2.8 per cubic inch, exactly how much power do you think a 358'' NA small block makes? Kind of puts the rest of your ramblings into perspective.

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by johnta1

1st dynoing in the car is one of the problems with that style setup.
It's not good for telling how it reacts going down the strip.
Plus lots of things can detract from the 'HP' number they give you.
(tire/roller slip, converter cars not using the converter right, etc)

The gear change RPM situation is a combination problem, not the HP problem?
You need to figure out where the engine likes to run with your power band.
The HP is the same whether you shift at 6800 or 7500 at each respective RPM point.

So if it likes to go faster at 7500 RPM, shift there?

I think my combo is fine. With 538 rear wheel hp car weighing 3370 with me in it. 9.90. im happy...

[mike leech]

Dang I slept good last night.

This is about what i expected to read when i opened this. the MORON computer racers need to have a convention and one of the topics should be unless YOU have done it stop giving advise. You've heard it from a few reputable sources and still carry on with your fingers in your ears convinced you two dolts are the only ones that get it.

THATS WHAT ALL THE CRAZY WEIRDOS THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THEIR LIFE, FROM CAT FOOD TO CALCULATORS THEY ARE RIGHT AND WE ALL NEED TO REALIZE IT! YOU 2 ARE NUTS! FOR CLARITY I MEAN STAN AND JOHNTA1 YOU 2 ARE BATSHXT CRAZY.

[Daniel Barton]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Tell me this truck is slower than Jack's car?

Bank's Diesel truck

1300 HP @ 5500 RPM

Jack making 1300 HP (?) @ 8000 RPM (?)

So you guys reasoning the diesel is a pig right?





Double quoted for double stupidity.






Neither of you seem to get it?

Charlie if you're going faster at the higher RPM, then you weren't making your peak power where you thought?

Running quick at a higher RPM is not the question here?

It's 2 different engines at the SAME HP but different RPM's.

It takes a certain amount of HP to run an ET at a given weight.
How it makes that HP is not real important.
(or by what engine manufacturer)

If Leech has 1000HP NOS engine and I have a 1000 HP N/A engine, in the same weight/car they should run exactly the same.

If they don't the slower car needs to work on his combo to utilize that HP.

Simple as that.

Can't explain it any better.

Your comparing a vehicle that weighs about 1000 pounds less than Jacks car to his, and you believe that you have explained this? Please explain why at 1300 hp at 5500 it runs a half a second slower than a legal pro stock truck making about 1000 hp at 9800.