[1971WARBIRD]

Originally Posted by hobi

MAYBE IF ENOUGH PEOPLE CHIME IN ON THE CORRECTNESS OR LACK THERE OF THE FIREWALL ON THIS CAR OR ABOUT WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG WITH IT OH WAIT IS HE ASKING $123,000.00 OR IS IT $23,000.00 THIS SEASONED PONTIAC GUY MIGHT FEEL SO BAD AFTER READING ALL THESE BRAIN STORM POSTS ABOUT SHOULD I BUY IT OR MAYBE I SHOULD CHECK WITH THE WIFE FIRST BUT IN THE MEANTIME BUST THE SELLERS BALLS ABOUT A $23,000.00 GTO RESTORED WITH A RAM IV MOTOR MAYBE JUST MAYBE HE WILL FEEL REAL CHRITABLE AND GIVE IT AWAY EVEN SO I AM WILLING TO BET THAT WOULD STILL NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH ON HERE PEOPLE WOULD WANT HIM TO PAY FOR THE TRANSPORT TO UNBELIEVABLE BUY THE CAR OR PLEASE KILL THIS DEAD END THREAD:jumping ::jum ping:

here it what people are looking at.
you could NOT get AC with a Ram Air IV engine, SO what happened?
did the factory use an AC body by mistake?
did someone add AC at some point?
did someone change bodies at some point in the life of this car?

NOW, IF someone changed bodies, that means they changed the vin tag on the dash. IF they changed the VIN tag, that is illegal, go to jail, go directly to jail, as that is a felony. crossing state lines they will check the vin before giving you a registration in that state. most times they just check the vin on the dash, but they can check the other stamping also. as long as the vin doesn't come up stolen, you get your paperwork.

if you buy it knowing that it is changed to keep just as a nice driver, it is on you. problem is, if you ever decide to sell it, the new owner can claim you sold a faked car and sue. this is really dicey, like playing musical chairs, last one standing without a chair looses. we used to have a dealer here in Ohio who had a car lot full of LS-6 SS Chevelles, being sold for big money, problem was, as I heard the were not real. all I know for sure is they are not around any more, but heard they were prosecuted for it.

now you really want to screw things up? I have been in muscle cars since the mid 70's when I drove a 1967 SS Chevelle to high school. I collected all the magazines I could get my hands on about old muscle cars from new back then, to bought at car shows now. back in the 70's, several of the biggest well know engine rebuilders, and body shops of the day would come straight out and talk about renumbering blocks to matching number, and rebadging shells that were too wasted. that is the reason guys check and check and check before buying these old cars for big money.

I will say this, I have dealt with Sweet Muscle before with NO problems, everything was up front and as stated. I was injured in Afghanistan and at FT Know KY right now waiting for knee replacement surgery, so I will be out of the game for the next year. if I was closer, and not laid up, I would get rid of a couple of my projects and get this as a driver to play with, and keep till I died.

[hobi]

Originally Posted by 1971WARBIRD

here it what people are looking at.
you could NOT get AC with a Ram Air IV engine, SO what happened?
did the factory use an AC body by mistake?
did someone add AC at some point?
did someone change bodies at some point in the life of this car?

NOW, IF someone changed bodies, that means they changed the vin tag on the dash. IF they changed the VIN tag, that is illegal, go to jail, go directly to jail, as that is a felony. crossing state lines they will check the vin before giving you a registration in that state. most times they just check the vin on the dash, but they can check the other stamping also. as long as the vin doesn't come up stolen, you get your paperwork.

if you buy it knowing that it is changed to keep just as a nice driver, it is on you. problem is, if you ever decide to sell it, the new owner can claim you sold a faked car and sue. this is really dicey, like playing musical chairs, last one standing without a chair looses. we used to have a dealer here in Ohio who had a car lot full of LS-6 SS Chevelles, being sold for big money, problem was, as I heard the were not real. all I know for sure is they are not around any more, but heard they were prosecuted for it.

now you really want to screw things up? I have been in muscle cars since the mid 70's when I drove a 1967 SS Chevelle to high school. I collected all the magazines I could get my hands on about old muscle cars from new back then, to bought at car shows now. back in the 70's, several of the biggest well know engine rebuilders, and body shops of the day would come straight out and talk about renumbering blocks to matching number, and rebadging shells that were too wasted. that is the reason guys check and check and check before buying these old cars for big money.

I will say this, I have dealt with Sweet Muscle before with NO problems, everything was up front and as stated. I was injured in Afghanistan and at FT Know KY right now waiting for knee replacement surgery, so I will be out of the game for the next year. if I was closer, and not laid up, I would get rid of a couple of my projects and get this as a driver to play with, and keep till I died.

FIRST OF ALL WARBIRD THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE I HAVE DEALT WITH SWEETMUSCLE FOR 12 YEARS NEVER A PROBLEM HE HAS BEEN UPFRONT ABOUT EVERY DEAL WE HAVE DONE. THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE ON HERE IS REAL SIMPLE ITS VERY VERY OBVIOUS THAT SOMETHING HAS BEEN DONE TO THIS CAR THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND IM SURE IF SOMEONE WAS SERIOUS ABOUT THE CAR AND CALLED SWEET HE WOULD DISCLOSE EVERYTHING HE KNOWS. THE [PROBLEM FOR ME IS WHY PEOPLE ON HERE JUST HAVE TO THRASH SOMEONES CAR OR PARTS AND SHOW THEIR PONTIAC KNOWELAGE IVE BEEN DOING THESE CARS SINCE 1976 I SURE DONT KNOW EVERYTHING BUT WHEN IT COMES TO 1969-1970 GTO CONVERTIBLES AND JUDGES I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA ALSO SO AGAIN WE ALL KNOW RAM IV NO AIR SO YEAH SOMETHING HAS BEEN DONE. NOW LETS NOT ASSUME SWEET DID ANYTHING TO THE CAR OTHER THAN RESTORE REFURBISH WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT HOW HE GOT THE CAR 1 HES NOT ASKING $123,000.00 HES ASKING $23,000.00 2 HES NO SAYING ANYTHING THAT IS NOT TRUE IN HIS DESCRIPTION HE POSTED PAPERWORK AND SHOWED DETAILED PICTURES OF THE CAR SO IF HE HAD SOMETHING TO HIDE HE WOULD NOT HAVE POSTED CERTAIN PICTURES IE THE FIREWALL, BUT PEOPLE ON HERE STILL HAVE TO BEAT THE CAR TO DEATH AND THE WORSE PART ASSUME THE WORST ABOUT. I CAN TELL YOU FROM BEING AROUND BACK IN THE DAY IT WAS NOT UNCOMMON TO SPLICE THOSE CARS BACK TOGETHER AFTER A FIRE ACCIDENT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. I SEEN BODY SHOPS PUT A FRAME FROM A OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS UNDER A 1970 JUDGE BECAUSE THATS WHAT WAS DONE BACK THEN OR DO A CUT AT THE WINDSHIELD AND PUT A 1970 LEMANS BODY ATTACHED TO A 1970 JUDGE COWL THATS REALITY NOBODY WAS DECEIVING ANYONE IT WAS SIMPLE BUSINESS PRACTICE TO FIX SAID CAR BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE THINK IN FEBRUARY 1969 A JUDGE CAME INTO THE DEALER WITH A BROKEN RAM IV MOTOR AND THE SALVATION PONTIAC ARMY STORED THE BUSTED MOTOR AWAY FOR 45 YEARS SO THEY COULD RESCUE ANOTHER JUDGE RESTORATION IN 2010 YEAH RIGHT MOST OF THESE CARS ARE SCABBED TOGETHER WITH WHATEVER WAS AROUND OR YOU COULD GET YOUR HANDS ON THERES MORE JUDGES NOW THAN WHEN THEY WERE NEW ONLY MOST EVERYONE ON HERE WONT ADMIT NOT MINE MY CAR IS RARE ALL ORIGINAL NUMBERS MATCHING BLA BLA BLA BLA AND ALL THE SSSUMPTIONS ON HERE IN REALITY KILLS SOME PEOPLES LIVING AND THATS NOT RIGHT IF HE WAS TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE I WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO JUMP IN BUT MAN LEAVE THESE PEOPLE ALONE THATS WHY THERES JURY TRIALS YOUR PRSUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY JUST NOT ON HERE TO BAD IM DONE HERE