[TempestFugit]

It was the best of times it was the worst of times.

It was was a musical convergence in a societal event horizon.

You had to be there to really understand it, but I guess ("It's like trying to tell a stranger about Rock & Roll.")


Interesting to hear it dismissed as trite fifty years later.



From "I want to hold your hand" to Within you without you in a few years.


We were talking-about the space between us all
And the people-who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth-then it's far too late-when they pass away.
We were talking-about the love we all could share-when we find it
To try our best to hold it there-with our love
With our love-we could save the world-if they only knew.
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No-one else can make you change
And to see you're really only very small,
And life flows ON within you and without you.
We were talking-about the love that's gone so cold and the people,
Who gain the world and lose their soul-
They don't know-they can't see-are you one of them?
When you've seen beyond yourself-then you may find, peace of mind,
Is waiting there-
And the time will come when you see
we're all one, and life flows on within you and without you

[PonchoV8]

EDIT: I always appreciated Ringo the most as a person. I didn't care a lot for John. I don't care a much about Paul now.

Originally Posted by TempestFugit

You had to be there to really understand it, but I guess ("It's like trying to tell a stranger about Rock & Roll.")


Interesting to hear it dismissed as trite fifty years later.



From "I want to hold your hand" to Within you without you in a few years.

No one dismissed it. You just made that part up.

First live concert for me was Alice Cooper when I was about 8, which was my favorite artist at the time. So, no I wasn't 'there' in 1964, but I was a Beatles fan even as a kid. That's how much things changed in that amount of time.

[TempestFugit]

Originally Posted by PonchoV8

EDIT: I always appreciated Ringo the most as a person. I didn't care a lot for John. I don't care a much about Paul now.

Lennon and McCartney were the perfect mix of complex and edgy vs. 'Trite' (still not liking that word) for the time.

Who could say anything bad about Ringo?

[MikeNoun]

Originally Posted by PonchoV8

EDIT: I always appreciated Ringo the most as a person. I didn't care a lot for John. I don't care a much about Paul now.

No one dismissed it. You just made that part up.

First live concert for me was Alice Cooper when I was about 8, which was my favorite artist at the time. So, no I wasn't 'there' in 1964, but I was a Beatles fan even as a kid. That's how much things changed in that amount of time.

Well, that's pretty cool, I was a big Alice Cooper fan myself, up until his original band left and Alice went solo, then I lost interest. Alice Cooper was a huge Beatles fan too, and many of his songs are direct nicks of classic Beatles tunes.

Black Sabbath....Ozzy was (and still is) a huge Beatles fan.

Lennon was not religious, and he had a lot of personal problems. The image his fans conjure up is one of a peace loving saint, but John was not a very nice guy. Often moody and irritable, he was the bad kid around the neighborhood, the hooligan. His dad abandoned him early in life, and his mom (Julia) gave him away to his Aunt Mimi, who was a strict disciplinarian. As a teenager, Lennon was shocked to learn that his mom was living within a mile of his home. He managed to strike up a relationship with her once again, but tragically his mom was run over by an off duty police officer, all within earshot of John. A couple years later, his best friend and soul mate, Stuart Sutcliffe (the fifth member of the early incarnation of The Beatles), died of a brain injury. It seemed like everyone in John's life either died, or abandoned him. Lennon had some serious issues.

The Beatles were rough kids. Many outside observers don't understand this, because they think The Beatles were squeaky clean, and The Rolling Stones were the bad boys. That was all marketing hype. The Beatles were hard rock before there was hard rock. No one played rock and roll like they did, and their attitude and stage presence was unique. They got into fights, they drank, they swore, they smoked, they were looked down upon by everyone as being degenerates. Liverpool was the armpit of British society, and no one expected anything relevant to ever come out of that miserable city.

And they changed the world.