[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by 535 tall deck

is this because no one on the planet can make one but Wade?

NOPE... Bill has that taken care of... a certain belt drive engineer he knows has got that covered.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

NOPE... Bill has that taken care of... a certain belt drive engineer he knows has got that covered.

Belt drive engineer? Is that an actual field in engineering?

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Belt drive engineer? Is that an actual field in engineering?

Technically a mechanical engineer who specialized in belt drives. The guy contracted with GM and Chrysler for 10 years.

535 tall deck asked if Wade was the only one who could make a belt drive for an IA ...

Someone previously implied only Wade could supply it. That was not exactly true.

This drive is different and uses an already proven belt that's better/stronger. Its NOT a copy of Wades product.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Technically a mechanical engineer who specialized in belt drives. The guy contracted with GM and Chrysler for 10 years.

535 tall deck asked if Wade was the only one who could make a belt drive for an IA ...

Someone previously implied only Wade could supply it. That was not exactly true.

This drive is different and uses an already proven belt that's better/stronger. Its NOT a copy of Wades product.

Wade's belt isnt proven? How many failures have there been?

[twooldgoats]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Wade's belt isnt proven? ...

He didn't say that. You need to improve your reading skills. That comment of yours is what starts stuff up here. And, no, I don't have a dog in this fight. I use Wade's belt drive and it performs flawlessly.

Jim

[PONTIAC DUDE]

EHTTFMF

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

mike leech for president!!!

I just want a race.....He is the last hope of his people....

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Someone previously implied only Wade could supply it. That was not exactly true.

This drive is different and uses an already proven belt that's better/stronger. Its NOT a copy of Wades product.

what is EXACTLY true?

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

The motor is in final blueprint/detail/assembly mode as time and cash allows. He has all the pieces.

I get it....If this is the true stage, and it were mine, even working 60hrs a week, taking time to pull the wife's hair (gently ), with lots of breaks for internet racing fun, that biotch would be done in two weeks tops....just sayin

Originally Posted by slowbird

Wade's belt isnt proven? How many failures have there been?

Good question

Originally Posted by twooldgoats

He didn't say that. You need to improve your reading skills. That comment of yours is what starts stuff up here. And, no, I don't have a dog in this fight. I use Wade's belt drive and it performs flawlessly.

Jim

Sorry man but bad answer....Your last sentence sums it up and answers the question. Slowbird reading comprehension is fine. Bruce's statement clearly implies that the belt is proven and better/stronger. That led me to the same conclusion that it is better/stronger......HOW? Have there been failures? Seems the BOP piece is proven to me, but I'm not a belt drive engineer either. And I run the lowly timing chain on the fireturd.

Originally Posted by PONTIAC DUDE

EHTTFMF

[Daniel Barton]

Originally Posted by twooldgoats

He didn't say that. You need to improve your reading skills. That comment of yours is what starts stuff up here. And, no, I don't have a dog in this fight. I use Wade's belt drive and it performs flawlessly.

Jim

Not everyone can put up such a helpful and courteous post like you have here, if he needs to work on his reading skills you most certainly should put in the same amount of time working on your people skills!

[twooldgoats]

Originally Posted by Daniel Barton

Not everyone can put up such a helpful and courteous post like you have here, if he needs to work on his reading skills you most certainly should put in the same amount of time working on your people skills!

......he said sarcastically.

Jim

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Wade's belt isnt proven? How many failures have there been?

Slowbird... the BOP tall deck belt wasnt available at the time Bill needed it. AND wasnt forecast to be available in the time frame he wanted one!

You are correct there is nothing wrong with a BOP belt drive. Its been a fine setup along with their other products. I never said there was anything wrong with it or it wasnt up to the job.

However, if you have an IA tall deck and you need a belt drive for it, do you abandon your project or come up with an alternative???

If you are then forced into an alternative, do you just make a piece of crap and wait for Wade??? (apparently others with IA tall decks are looking for a belt too. Spare or need a new one? I dont know) Wade may not have enough demand, or cant obtain it, I dont know.

Or... Do you make a duplicate???(Not illegal if you arent selling it. And if you cant get a duplicate belt whats the point?)

Or... do you go ahead and see if you can improve on it???
Due to unavailability of the BOP tall deck size belt when Bill wanted it, the alternative belt created an opportunity to make an improved piece.

You do realize a mechanical engineer that specialized in automotive belt drives for GM and Chrysler was involved?
Those belt drives were NOT limited to fan belts or serpentine accessory drives. His experience includes belt drives for overhead cam engines. (Cam drive belts and cogged pulleys... what a coincidence! ) This would include tensioners and cam phasing accomodations as well as any other supporting elements.
This also includes experience specifying belt design requirements to belt manufacturers so they could supply OR manufacture the belt to those specifications.

To all...
Right now this belt IS a one off deal... (sorry to get your hopes up 535 tall deck)

BUT, here is an opportunity for another choice that may offer improvements over a good piece. It could lead to an rpm variable, rate adjustable, cam timing system being available if there is adequate demand.

BUT instead, the replies to my post mostly seem to discourage such from being offered.
Instead of Pontiac people getting an exclusive part or latest technology for our Pontiacs... it seems some here would rather let the other brand folks get it first or just wait for the politically correct to come up with it.

Is this so "we" can bitch about not having the latest technology?

OR are "we" only allowed to buy from the select few who are deemed politically correct ???

I can only laugh at some of the posts already made. ASSumptions can be hilarious. Reading comprehension skills of some are good for a smile as well. Most amusing are those who fully comprehend but would rather twist things into what they aren't... so junior high!



Carry on!

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Slowbird... the BOP tall deck belt wasnt available at the time Bill needed it. AND wasnt forecast to be available in the time frame he wanted one!

You are correct there is nothing wrong with a BOP belt drive. Its been a fine setup along with their other products. I never said there was anything wrong with it or it wasnt up to the job.

However, if you have an IA tall deck and you need a belt drive for it, do you abandon your project or come up with an alternative???

If you are then forced into an alternative, do you just make a piece of crap and wait for Wade??? (apparently others with IA tall decks are looking for a belt too. Spare or need a new one? I dont know) Wade may not have enough demand, or cant obtain it, I dont know.

Or... Do you make a duplicate???(Not illegal if you arent selling it. And if you cant get a duplicate belt whats the point?)

Or... do you go ahead and see if you can improve on it???
Due to unavailability of the BOP tall deck size belt when Bill wanted it, the alternative belt created an opportunity to make an improved piece.

You do realize a mechanical engineer that specialized in automotive belt drives for GM and Chrysler was involved?
Those belt drives were NOT limited to fan belts or serpentine accessory drives. His experience includes belt drives for overhead cam engines. (Cam drive belts and cogged pulleys... what a coincidence! ) This would include tensioners and cam phasing accomodations as well as any other supporting elements.
This also includes experience specifying belt design requirements to belt manufacturers so they could supply OR manufacture the belt to those specifications.

To all...
Right now this belt IS a one off deal... (sorry to get your hopes up 535 tall deck)

BUT, here is an opportunity for another choice that may offer improvements over a good piece. It could lead to an rpm variable, rate adjustable, cam timing system being available if there is adequate demand.

BUT instead, the replies to my post mostly seem to discourage such from being offered.
Instead of Pontiac people getting an exclusive part or latest technology for our Pontiacs... it seems some here would rather let the other brand folks get it first or just wait for the politically correct to come up with it.

Is this so "we" can bitch about not having the latest technology?

OR are "we" only allowed to buy from the select few who are deemed politically correct ???

I can only laugh at some of the posts already made. ASSumptions can be hilarious. Reading comprehension skills of some are good for a smile as well. Most amusing are those who fully comprehend but would rather twist things into what they aren't... so junior high!



Carry on!

That made my head hurt, so i quit reading. Why not say he needed to make his own to get it in the time frame bill wanted.

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by mike leech

That made my head hurt, so i quit reading. Why not say he needed to make his own to get it in the time frame bill wanted.

Sorry you cant be bothered to read my entire post Mike. If you like I can break it down into several posts. Just figured I'd get it done in one.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Slowbird... the BOP tall deck belt wasnt available at the time Bill needed it. AND wasnt forecast to be available in the time frame he wanted one!

You are correct there is nothing wrong with a BOP belt drive. Its been a fine setup along with their other products. I never said there was anything wrong with it or it wasnt up to the job.

However, if you have an IA tall deck and you need a belt drive for it, do you abandon your project or come up with an alternative???

If you are then forced into an alternative, do you just make a piece of crap and wait for Wade??? (apparently others with IA tall decks are looking for a belt too. Spare or need a new one? I dont know) Wade may not have enough demand, or cant obtain it, I dont know.

Or... Do you make a duplicate???(Not illegal if you arent selling it. And if you cant get a duplicate belt whats the point?)

Or... do you go ahead and see if you can improve on it???
Due to unavailability of the BOP tall deck size belt when Bill wanted it, the alternative belt created an opportunity to make an improved piece.

You do realize a mechanical engineer that specialized in automotive belt drives for GM and Chrysler was involved?
Those belt drives were NOT limited to fan belts or serpentine accessory drives. His experience includes belt drives for overhead cam engines. (Cam drive belts and cogged pulleys... what a coincidence! ) This would include tensioners and cam phasing accomodations as well as any other supporting elements.
This also includes experience specifying belt design requirements to belt manufacturers so they could supply OR manufacture the belt to those specifications.

To all...
Right now this belt IS a one off deal... (sorry to get your hopes up 535 tall deck)

BUT, here is an opportunity for another choice that may offer improvements over a good piece. It could lead to an rpm variable, rate adjustable, cam timing system being available if there is adequate demand.

BUT instead, the replies to my post mostly seem to discourage such from being offered.
Instead of Pontiac people getting an exclusive part or latest technology for our Pontiacs... it seems some here would rather let the other brand folks get it first or just wait for the politically correct to come up with it.

Is this so "we" can bitch about not having the latest technology?

OR are "we" only allowed to buy from the select few who are deemed politically correct ???

I can only laugh at some of the posts already made. ASSumptions can be hilarious. Reading comprehension skills of some are good for a smile as well. Most amusing are those who fully comprehend but would rather twist things into what they aren't... so junior high!



Carry on!

there now we can all relive it in its original splendor