[Half-Inch Stud]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Think we have had this discussion before.

1) Wade (BOP) and Wade's Engineer (Mark) report that the BOP Belt Drive system has been extremely reliable. As mentioned, there are quite a few BOP systems out there in use currently. To say that a unproven Belt Drive set-up is better is premature.

2) Anyone can copy anything. The deal is if you copy Gates belt design material or tooth profile hobbed into the drive and driven gear, Gates and their lawyers will get very angry with you. Jesel and BOP have an agreement with Gates regarding their Belt Drive systems.

3) Belts for Industrial equipment DO have very high load capabilities. Most Industrial belts though ARE NOT designed for HIGH RPM use. High RPM meaning 7000+ rpm.
If you want to win a race you had better be spinning the engine 7000+ rpm to have a chance of winning.

4) So you need to find a 1" belt that is the right length, the right tooth profile, and the right material to survive in a racing application, not an industrial rpm application.
Good Luck and I hope you get it figured out and installed by Norwalk.

5)
a) If the New Belt Drive uses a 1" wide belt of the same material as the BOP design, then it is a copy because Jesel and BOP are the only ones with that agreement with Gates.

b) If the New Belt Drive uses the same tooth count for the drive and driven gears then it is a copy.

c) If the New Belt Drive uses the same tooth profile as the BOP then it is a copy.

So the point is, ANYONE can COPY anything. Saying that the COPY is better than the Original (without ANY track time to back it up) sounds like a certain head deal gone bad from an over-enthusiastic group from the peanut gallery.

Just saying.

Tom V.

ps I was told that Wade hurt his back and might be out of commission for a while.
Prayers to Wade and his family.

i've been looking at Gates Belt & Hub data for a desing at work : Not sure why there are all kinds of warnings for belts running faster than 5000 rpm with 50 HP.

Harmonic reduction: i really like the Rattler theory for converting harmonic Accelerations (combustion) into power for use on the Compression strokes. excellent for any constant RPM or near constant RPM like a high stall converter car. Not sure if Rattler is excellent for a 3-speed Stickcar that has to wind-out RPM for accelleration.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by Half-Inch Stud

i've been looking at Gates Belt & Hub data for a desing at work : Not sure why there are all kinds of warnings for belts running faster than 5000 rpm with 50 HP.

Harmonic reduction: i really like the Rattler theory. converts harmonic Accelerations into power for the compression strokes.

Well, HIS, you have something there for sure. "warnings for belts running faster than 5000 rpm with 50 HP" Someone can make a statement and it will not mean much. Read it out of the EXPERTS book and it takes a brave man to buck those odds. But what do I know. PS The Belt that Jesel and BOP use is the best in the game from Gates, according to BOP.

Tom V.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Well, HIS, you have something there for sure. "warnings for belts running faster than 5000 rpm with 50 HP" Someone can make a statement and it will not mean much. Read it out of the EXPERTS book and it takes a brave man to buck those odds. But what do I know. PS The Belt that Jesel and BOP use is the best in the game from Gates, according to BOP.

Tom V.

Yes tom, but better/best is such a subjective term for some. If its really liked its the same as better. Or so it seems.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Yes tom, but better/best is such a subjective term for some. If its really liked its the same as better. Or so it seems.

Whatever you say Mike, You have the guys figured out a lot better vs me.

Tom Vaught.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Whatever you say Mike, You have the guys figured out a lot better vs me.

Tom Vaught.

didn't mean it towards you in a negative way...you actually posted more info data on belts and such than I had previously known or researched. If that belt breaks or slips....the fun comes to a screeching stop. Like immediately RIP. My money would be on known commodities when it comes to the ol valve train.