[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

didnt you read the thread that the ECM hurt his business and he cant make anymore heads? He is sold out of heads and I thought thats a good thing!!

EHTTFMF

Jeff,
So selling 100 pairs of heads over what 5 years, which is an average of 20 pair per year means that his business was doing good?

Stan

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Jeff,
So selling 100 pairs of heads over what 5 years, which is an average of 20 pair per year means that his business was doing good?

Stan

in the pontiac world, why yes I think thats good!

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

in the pontiac world, why yes I think thats good!

... maybe so, but thats not how the sales occured Jeff ... ... 50 sets went the first year, the rest has taken until recently to sell ...

... a very telling sales opportunity for Calvin occurred at Norwalk 2011' when some perspective buyers looked at Calvin's CV-1's on display, they said "" the heads looked great, but isn't there supposed to be something wrong with them ?? "" ...

... anyone here knows all of this BS and lies has been going on for years since that time ... yet you have stated that the ECM smear campaign has not had any effect on the CV-1's reputation to date ??? ... Really ??? ...

... but yet people wonder why you and others like you can't get a free set of CV-1's ?? ... Really ??? ... maybe it has something to do with the fact that the same group of people can't get Warp 6's ??? ...

... im sure people can see that trend here ?? ...

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... maybe so, but thats not how the sales occured Jeff ... ... 50 sets went the first year, the rest has taken until recently to sell ...

... a very telling sales opportunity for Calvin occurred at Norwalk 2011' when some perspective buyers looked at Calvin's CV-1's on display, they said "" the heads looked great, but isn't there supposed to be something wrong with them ?? "" ...

... anyone here knows all of this BS and lies has been going on for years since that time ... yet you have stated that the ECM smear campaign has not had any effect on the CV-1's reputation to date ??? ... Really ??? ...

... but yet people wonder why you and others like you can't get a free set of CV-1's ?? ... Really ??? ... maybe it has something to do with the fact that the same group of people can't get Warp 6's ??? ...

... im sure people can see that trend here ?? ...

Asking for a free set of cv1s is a joke, nothing more.

And me not getting a set of Warp 6s is fine we made something better.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Asking for a free set of cv1s is a joke, nothing more.

And me not getting a set of Warp 6s is fine we made something better.

... Jeff wasn't joking, he's asked or mentioned it to me on the phone (texts also) too many times ... you on the other hand ,,,, well, i don't even need to answer that part ...

... "Something better ??" ... oh really ?? better than a head that has already made 1200hp ?? ... just how much over 1200hp will your new combo make Jack ?? ...

... i guess its ok for anyone else to hype chit up, just so long it's not a CV-1 guy right ?? ...

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Seems that the head had this reputation because of a few cyl head guys opinions. Hmmm , where the wrong ?

You know what they say ......" The proof is in the pudding"

With that said, how has the pudding tasted for the last 7 years of effort ?

Originally Posted by Daniel Barton

It would seem reasonable that having only 1 customer(Robin Roberts) that comes to mind actually laying down good numbers out of the first 50 sets of heads could have a negative effect on future sales too, I realize it is much easier on Jims ego to blame everybody else but I do believe that there are more factors than just people talking about it badly. Even at this point, if they started putting up good numbers people would look to get them.

... ok, so what your saying is simply because it hasn't yet, means that it can't ?? ...

... is this what you guys are claiming ?? ...

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... ok, so what your saying is simply because it hasn't yet, means that it can't ?? ...

... is this what you guys are claiming ?? ...

I guess you all can keep sayn...." It's about to get good".

LOL

[Daniel Barton]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... ok, so what your saying is simply because it hasn't yet, means that it can't ?? ...

... is this what you guys are claiming ?? ...

Que? what are you asking me?

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... ok, so what your saying is simply because it hasn't yet, means that it can't ?? ...

... is this what you guys are claiming ?? ...

Cant what? You have asked me a direct question about nothing.

1000 / who cares? old hat
1100 / not a big deal, been done a few times
1200 / been done once, and is the new target for many.


So again , cant what? How high is the bar set for your personal hurdle ?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... Jeff wasn't joking, he's asked or mentioned it to me on the phone (texts also) too many times ... you on the other hand ,,,, well, i don't even need to answer that part ...

... "Something better ??" ... oh really ?? better than a head that has already made 1200hp ?? ... just how much over 1200hp will your new combo make Jack ?? ...

... i guess its ok for anyone else to hype chit up, just so long it's not a CV-1 guy right ?? ...

Jeff was pulling your leg.

It's not bragging if you back it up.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Jeff was pulling your leg.

It's not bragging if you back it up.

... ok, then please post your 1200+hp dyno sheet then ...

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Asking for a free set of cv1s is a joke, nothing more.

And me not getting a set of Warp 6s is fine we made something better.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

They don't get it.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

... damn it Jeff, you know for a fact, that you've talked about me hooking you up with not only CV-1's, but an A.P.D. ported set of CV-1's !! ...

... your exact words were .." c'mon man you know i'll make those heads run !! " ...

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... damn it Jeff, you know for a fact, that you've talked about me hooking you up with not only CV-1's, but an A.P.D. ported set of CV-1's !! ...

... your exact words were .." c'mon man you know i'll make those heads run !! " ...

yes, i have but what i didnt tell you is i would have BES do them.

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... maybe so, but thats not how the sales occured Jeff ... ... 50 sets went the first year, the rest has taken until recently to sell ...

... a very telling sales opportunity for Calvin occurred at Norwalk 2011' when some perspective buyers looked at Calvin's CV-1's on display, they said "" the heads looked great, but isn't there supposed to be something wrong with them ?? "" ...

... anyone here knows all of this BS and lies has been going on for years since that time ... yet you have stated that the ECM smear campaign has not had any effect on the CV-1's reputation to date ??? ... Really ??? ...

... but yet people wonder why you and others like you can't get a free set of CV-1's ?? ... Really ??? ... maybe it has something to do with the fact that the same group of people can't get Warp 6's ??? ...

... im sure people can see that trend here ?? ...

Seems that the head had this reputation because of a few cyl head guys opinions. Hmmm , where the wrong ?

You know what they say ......" The proof is in the pudding"

With that said, how has the pudding tasted for the last 7 years of effort ?

[wreckmastr]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Seems that the head had this reputation because of a few cyl head guys opinions. Hmmm , where the wrong ?

You know what they say ......" The proof is in the pudding"

With that said, how has the pudding tasted for the last 7 years of effort ?

[Daniel Barton]

It would seem reasonable that having only 1 customer(Robin Roberts) that comes to mind actually laying down good numbers out of the first 50 sets of heads could have a negative effect on future sales too, I realize it is much easier on Jims ego to blame everybody else but I do believe that there are more factors than just people talking about it badly. Even at this point, if they started putting up good numbers people would look to get them.

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... maybe so, but thats not how the sales occured Jeff ... ... 50 sets went the first year, the rest has taken until recently to sell ...

... a very telling sales opportunity for Calvin occurred at Norwalk 2011' when some perspective buyers looked at Calvin's CV-1's on display, they said "" the heads looked great, but isn't there supposed to be something wrong with them ?? "" ...

... anyone here knows all of this BS and lies has been going on for years since that time ... yet you have stated that the ECM smear campaign has not had any effect on the CV-1's reputation to date ??? ... Really ??? ...

... but yet people wonder why you and others like you can't get a free set of CV-1's ?? ... Really ??? ... maybe it has something to do with the fact that the same group of people can't get Warp 6's ??? ...

... im sure people can see that trend here ?? ...

This is where it get interesting --- did the heads perform AS DESIGNED, AS A STREET HEAD, maybe. That would have been fine if it were left there, BUT the lies and the B.S. first started with the "frantic few" that were so over the top in love with the head they made outlandish claims about "what we are going to do" that it really started a back lash. Here is a clue - DO IT FIRST , THEN BRAG ABOUT IT, don't say your going to do it for 6 or 7 years -- and not.
So -- did people take shots at the head and expose some "REALITY" that drowned out all the inaccuracies that were being spread around about the head, it would seems so. Bottom line is those that were yelling the loudest in support were actually shooting your selves in the foot and tainting the heads in the eyes of other. It would seem that as time has gone by those that have "bashed" the head -- your words-- are more accurate in its assessment than those that were proclaiming it as the next best thing. Now tell us again who killed the head with all BS AND THE LIES ?????????