[mjm421]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Not so sure about politicians getting to pick. Thats a given if you're same party as they are.

Celebrity endorsement is to capitalize on the fame and public opinion of the celebrity and attach it to your product.

What happens when the product fails?

What happens to the paid endorsement when the celebrity fouls up and pulls a tiger woods?

My point being what happens when celebrities do the opposite? What if Shaq came out and said this heat balm sucks. States it is portioned too small. Well, for Shaq it may not work but a normal sized guy will have no problem. It cannot be said that bad press in this instance didn't hurt. That head would be fine for 90% of peoples performance goals. That was never stated enough. Who gives a damn if we already had E or HP heads. No reason to run another option off the market. And yes I'm calling you, John, Jeff, and Jack Pontiac celebs. Consider it the highest of compliments please.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by mjm421

My point being what happens when celebrities do the opposite? What if Shaq came out and said this heat balm sucks. States it is portioned too small. Well, for Shaq it may not work but a normal sized guy will have no problem. It cannot be said that bad press in this instance didn't hurt. That head would be fine for 90% of peoples performance goals. That was never stated enough. Who gives a damn if we already had E or HP heads. No reason to run another option off the market. And yes I'm calling you, John, Jeff, and Jack Pontiac celebs. Consider it the highest of compliments please.

Well you of all people know that I do not hate the head, or think that there is no way it can make power. Was there neg press yes. Where ridiculous claims made? yes. Were some made by non users that were not based entirely in fact and negative in nature? yes While I appreciate you're reference to celebs, I'd point out that that was not my intent to become one or to bash the head. More to the guys who have never done what they claim will be so easy and can't seem to get it done. The head has more potential than my eheads.

Mike do you think if we wanted to make 1000+ with a cv1 that we couldn't? Why have the experts not then?

[mike leech]

[QUOTE=jdw_poncho;5136968]

Originally Posted by mike leech

So what's the point?

[QUOTE=bankbook;5136982]

Originally Posted by jdw_poncho

.???

The site tangles the quotes sometimes bankbook.

Jdw was asking me my point....

Well If its so easy to do it na then just do it. I'm NOT saying it can't be done. There are a lot of people that underestimate what it takes to build that power. The same people think its easy to just stick it in the car and set records. Sorry I don't give credit for talking like its so easy. Its NOT that hard either if one gets in touch with the right people and actually does it.

[bankbook]

[QUOTE=mike leech;5137006][QUOTE=jdw_poncho;5136968]

Originally Posted by bankbook

The site tangles the quotes sometimes bankbook.

Jdw was asking me my point....

Well If its so easy to do it na then just do it. I'm NOT saying it can't be done. There are a lot of people that underestimate what it takes to build that power. The same people think its easy to just stick it in the car and set records. Sorry I don't give credit for talking like its so easy. Its NOT that hard either if one gets in touch with the right people and actually does it.

Got it and agree 100%

[jdw_poncho]

The site tangles the quotes sometimes bankbook.

Jdw was asking me my point....

Sorry I don't give credit for talking like its so easy. Its NOT that hard either if one gets in touch with the right people and actually does it.[/QUOTE]

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Perfect, thats what I wanted to hear. You dont want to give credit but you enjoy beating the other products down?

Did you ever take one of those personality tests for a job or when you was in the military?

If so, I have a question for you. If you were a pickle, would you rather be a sliced bread&butter or a dill spear?

[mike leech]

[/QUOTE]



Perfect, thats what I wanted to hear. You dont want to give credit but you enjoy beating the other products down?

Did you ever take one of those personality tests for a job or when you was in the military?

If so, I have a question for you. If you were a pickle, would you rather be a sliced bread&butter or a dill spear?[/QUOTE]

I'm not a pickle. You're missing the point genius. NO ONE gives credit to the guys talking and not doing. I'm not beating the product down. Just the blowhards that think the only thing separating them from success is luck or money, If only "fill in the blank" I could do that too.

[jdw_poncho]

Originally Posted by mike leech

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Perfect, thats what I wanted to hear. You dont want to give credit but you enjoy beating the other products down?

Did you ever take one of those personality tests for a job or when you was in the military?

If so, I have a question for you. If you were a pickle, would you rather be a sliced bread&butter or a dill spear?

I'm not a pickle. You're missing the point genius. NO ONE gives credit to the guys talking and not doing. I'm not beating the product down. Just the blowhards that think the only thing separating them from success is luck or money, If only "fill in the blank" I could do that too.[/QUOTE]

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Wrong answer pickle juice.

You have bashed the product numerous times. If you were serious about it just being the person not being capable, you would have kept the product out of the conversation.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by jdw_poncho

Wrong answer pickle juice.

You have bashed the product numerous times. If you were serious about it just being the person not being capable, you would have kept the product out of the conversation.

I'm sorry but you are being retarded wether intentional or not. FIND A POST WHERE I BASHED THE PODUCT AND SAID IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE. Come back here and post it up pickle sniffer. Then I will print a retraction based on that. Just click on my name, click on view all posts by mike leech, Read them all and copy and print where I said the heads a piece of junk(or any comment similar)and cannot make 1000 hp.

GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY HUNTING!

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by jdw_poncho

Perfect, thats what I wanted to hear. You dont want to give credit but you enjoy beating the other products down?

Did you ever take one of those personality tests for a job or when you was in the military?

If so, I have a question for you. If you were a pickle, would you rather be a sliced bread&butter or a dill spear?

Of course I did as well as security clearances, Aptitude testing, IQ ETC....where are you going with this? If there was a dreamer that couldn't keep up he'd of been out on that basis.

I'm not playing your pickle game. Thanks for the invite to your pickle party but not interested.

[John Langer]

Every time a new product is introduced to the Pontiac community it is greeted by haters. Anyone remember the Indian adventurers block. If a new product is hyped as the next best thing buy a group of nut swingers and never shows potential after numerous attempts or years of "r&d". It will be greeted unfavorably. If the new products performance is displayed with actual on track results, the negative comments go away.

[mjm421]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Well you of all people know that I do not hate the head, or think that there is no way it can make power. Was there neg press yes. Where ridiculous claims made? yes. Were some made by non users that were not based entirely in fact and negative in nature? yes While I appreciate you're reference to celebs, I'd point out that that was not my intent to become one or to bash the head. More to the guys who have never done what they claim will be so easy and can't seem to get it done. The head has more potential than my eheads.

Mike do you think if we wanted to make 1000+ with a cv1 that we couldn't? Why have the experts not then?

WE have discussed this many times, and the answer is still????????? Damn it Mike I think we could put some flat tops in mine, pay attention to a few details and let John touch up the heads. We would need an intake. I think we could go 1000. Don't you?

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by mjm421

WE have discussed this many times, and the answer is still????????? Damn it Mike I think we could put some flat tops in mine, pay attention to a few details and let John touch up the heads. We would need an intake. I think we could go 1000. Don't you?

YES! employ few oil system tricks, a better ring pack, and absolutely!

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by mjm421

WE have discussed this many times, and the answer is still????????? Damn it Mike I think we could put some flat tops in mine, pay attention to a few details and let John touch up the heads. We would need an intake. I think we could go 1000. Don't you?

Just say the word ....GO..... and we can get you a 1000! And I would love to do it.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Just say the word ....GO..... and we can get you a 1000! And I would love to do it.

X2! that would be fun! Mike would fly with that!

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Just say the word ....GO..... and we can get you a 1000! And I would love to do it.

At how many cubic inches?

An E head has already track proven about 1030 HP with 499 cubic inches.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

At how many cubic inches?

An E head has already track proven about 1030 HP with 499 cubic inches.

Lil Jack,
That must of been before my time here. Do you have a link to a time sheet and vehicle information?

Thanks,
Stan

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Lil Jack,
That must of been before my time here. Do you have a link to a time sheet and vehicle information?

Thanks,
Stan

I am talking about King Kinsler:

[email protected] @ 3250#

4.380 bore
4.150 stroke
499 cu in. Gaby ported E heads and BOP intake.
N/A
275 Drag Radial, turbo 400 trans.

EHTTFMF

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

At how many cubic inches?

An E head has already track proven about 1030 HP with 499 cubic inches.

In all seriousness I think I could do it with less than 499.

And no joke, I would like to do it , just to see for my self.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by john marcella

In all seriousness I think I could do it with less than 499.

And no joke, I would like to do it , just to see for my self.

I don't think you can.

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by mjm421

My point being what happens when celebrities do the opposite? What if Shaq came out and said this heat balm sucks. States it is portioned too small. Well, for Shaq it may not work but a normal sized guy will have no problem. It cannot be said that bad press in this instance didn't hurt. That head would be fine for 90% of peoples performance goals. That was never stated enough. Who gives a damn if we already had E or HP heads. No reason to run another option off the market. And yes I'm calling you, John, Jeff, and Jack Pontiac celebs. Consider it the highest of compliments please.

Mike , but what if all those people, (that are in that position because of experience) Are giving an honest opinion of the product.

You're a painter, you know paint chit, do you need to change your opinion on certain paint products because it may negatively affect that product's reputation? Phuck NO . that's called being a liar.

If someone wants my opinion I give it to them straight. And if im wrong, I say I was wrong.