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Old 02-21-2014, 05:31 PM
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TCP Global still makes the blue suede your looking for, or at least they were when I needed it about 8 months ago.
http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.asp...ntiac-pg02.jpg

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Old 02-21-2014, 06:19 PM
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TCP Global still makes the blue suede your looking for, or at least they were when I needed it about 8 months ago.
http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.asp...ntiac-pg02.jpg
TCP Global would not fill an order for black suede around Christmas.Told me they could not get the additives any longer. Plus, sold me 1 gallon of Cameo White for $400,then jacked the price up to almost $900 a gallon for anymore gallons. Glad I bought bunch of the correct lacquer colors over the past few years. Lacquer ,at least OEM quality, is a thing of the past. PPG has announcements on their web site to this effect.. if anyone needs or will need correct suede paint, I would get it asap. A pint(which mixes at 1: 1.5) ends up being a quart +, which is all you would ever need.That will do 3 maybe 4 dashes considering the thinned amount.

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Old 02-21-2014, 06:59 PM
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I believe you can get it in a DuPont paint. My understanding is that it simply has less metallic and a flattening agent in it to reduce the glare. Haven't seen the orange peel texture. I remember asking about it a while back at the store that supplies my paint.

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Old 02-21-2014, 09:13 PM
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I believe you can get it in a DuPont paint. My understanding is that it simply has less metallic and a flattening agent in it to reduce the glare. Haven't seen the orange peel texture. I remember asking about it a while back at the store that supplies my paint.
The original stuff definitely has something in it that gives it a "texture". A friend of mine had a can of it (original lacquer) that I borrowed to give to the guy who painted the last T/A I restored. He didn't realize it was supposed to come out textured, and sanded it off twice trying to get it to be "flat"....

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Old 02-21-2014, 10:10 PM
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Did the texture flatten out with age, because non of the interior parts I have with original paint have texture on them?

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Old 02-21-2014, 11:15 PM
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The shaker goes Tyrol Blue - not Lucerne. fwiw
A lot have used Lucerne ... can usually tell them by the extra clash with the decals.
69 TA stripes were also Tyrol.

Suede mix adds more of a grain than an orange peel.
It was supposed to give additional aid to defracting light / glare - along with the flat sheen of the color. Double whammy .

You will never get the aftermarket products to look like the factory applied finish did.
Looks cheap to me and i quit using it a long time ago.

If you can bake the finish right after application at about 250-300* like the factory did you might get factory looking results with suede mix.

It did tend to "smooth out" some with age on the factory finishes.

Most of the aftermarket suede mix just makes a bumpy surface that later creates problems with cleaning techniques down the road. Most end up slathering it with armor-all to get it to look uniform again. Aftermarket flat paint with suede mix added is not very forgiving.


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The shaker goes Tyrol Blue - not Lucerne. fwiw
A lot have used Lucerne ... can usually tell them by the extra clash with the decals.
69 TA stripes were also Tyrol.

Suede mix adds more of a grain than an orange peel.
It was supposed to give additional aid to defracting light / glare - along with the flat sheen of the color. Double whammy .

You will never get the aftermarket products to look like the factory applied finish did.
Looks cheap to me and i quit using it a long time ago.

If you can bake the finish right after application at about 250-300* like the factory did you might get factory looking results with suede mix.

It did tend to "smooth out" some with age on the factory finishes.

Most of the aftermarket suede mix just makes a bumpy surface that later creates problems with cleaning techniques down the road. Most end up slathering it with armor-all to get it to look uniform again. Aftermarket flat paint with suede mix added is not very forgiving.

Very true Barron heat gun after you spray works sometimes if you don't get carried away. my 4 cents

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Old 02-22-2014, 11:38 AM
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The shaker goes Tyrol Blue - not Lucerne. fwiw
Have you seen that documented anywhere?

Not debating you, because Lucerne certainly doesn't match the stripes well. Just that I've never seen any factory or paint manufacturer lit that specifies a different color...

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Old 02-22-2014, 02:12 PM
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The shaker goes Tyrol Blue - not Lucerne. fwiw
A lot have used Lucerne ... can usually tell them by the extra clash with the decals.
This is incorrect. The shakers were Lucerne. I had this same question when I restored my car a few years ago. I had the opportunity to view an original paint car and it clearly had a LB shaker mismatching the stripe. Furthrtmore, when I sanded down my own shaker I went through a few layers of colors, including a red color that the car was painted once in the early 80s. Under all of that there was the LB paint over black primer as the last two layers. Matched the paint chip dead on. A lot of people prefer (or incorrectly believe) that the stripe should match and mix up a non-metallic paint to do so. I am not even sure Tyrol would look right anyway since the stripe color has a touch of aqua that may clash worse than LB.

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Guys.. just a thought, no proof this is correct..but I know PPG states that the body painted in Lucerne blue must have a G5 grey undercoat for correct color..since we know the shakers had black primer, could that produce the darker blue that we all think looks better?? Has anyone tried painting a shaker Lucerne blue but using a black primer?? If someone has time to make test sprays using a grey primer vs a black primer ...might just produce the darker blue?? Just a thought I had after thinking through why these have black primer.. I am probably wrong, but it is a thought...

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Old 02-21-2014, 07:02 PM
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It looks from that sheet that the one I need is called "medium bright blue poly", Ditzler code 13966, right?

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Old 02-21-2014, 07:04 PM
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I'm talking about the sheet from TCP Global that 70RAIII provided the link to, page 2.

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