[KS circutguy]

She sure looks hot in this picture driving a real race car.lol

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by KS circutguy

She sure looks hot in this picture driving a real race car.lol

If you mean "hot" as on a "hot" day - I agree...

As far as a "real" race car - that's a matter of opinion that we will just have to agree to disagree.

I like my racing door to door/nose to tail. Indy cars can't even do that on a restart...



The tail ender is probably a mile behind the leader when the green flag waves - and at most they only have 33 cars on the track.

[MikeNoun]

Champ, I know we've been through this before, but again, the reason they don't do double-file restarts in IndyCar or F1 is because it's too dangerous.

When open wheel cars touch wheels, bad things happen. When IndyCars or F1 cars get airborne, there's a good chance of a death, or at the very least a severe career ending injury, like what happened to Dario Franchitti last year.

If it wasn't for single file restarts, there would probably be 1 or 2 deaths (or career ending injuries) per year in those two racing series.

Godspeed to Danny Wheldon, he was a cool guy and a great driver.

[Alvin]

Having driven 20,000 street and track miles on one of my Sport Bikes from new (Ninja 900), Formula Ford open wheel racer @ Oahu HI Skip Barber Racing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_Ford), and Full Fendered Pontiac GTOs, TAs, Catalina's, etc. down the 1/4 mile and Gymkhana's I can tell you that those open wheel cars garner drivers' respect for barriers that are parallel to the drivers head height. For me it was unnerving.

I'd had no problem going over 150mph at will on the Ninja and 2-wheels, but those barriers and exposed suspension "bits & pieces" of the Formy FORD/ F1 / Indy can be claustrophobic and when driving amongst others who "don't respect" the vehicle spacing can become interesting immediately.

This from the same guy who's 1st street car was a '68 440cid Chrysler New Yorker who learned how to drift the car on ice, snow, mud and dirt back roads and pavement. Parallel parking? Piece-O-The-Proverbial-Cake!

Banging fenders should be a comfort to "Princess D"....

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

Champ, I know we've been through this before, but again, the reason they don't do double-file restarts in IndyCar or F1 is because it's too dangerous.

Mike

They start the Indy 500 THREE wide.



If they can start three wide - they can restart at least double file and they shouldn't have to stretch the cars out over a mile.

Unless the drivers can't handle their cars properly after a few laps of racing.

NASCAR can pull off a restart with 43 cars on a half mile track double file.

It's not too much to expect Indy Cars to restart 33 cars on a 2.5 mile track double file.

[MikeNoun]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Mike

They start the Indy 500 THREE wide.

If they can start three wide - they can restart at least double file and they shouldn't have to stretch the cars out over a mile.

Unless the drivers can't handle their cars properly after a few laps of racing.

NASCAR can pull off a restart with 43 cars on a half mile track double file.

It's not too much to expect Indy Cars to restart 33 cars on a 2.5 mile track double file.

Champ, we've been through this all before. Again, they start 3-wide at Indy because it's TRADITION. They also still sing "Back Home Again In Indiana", and the winning driver still takes a swig of milk at the end. It's the oldest race and most famous race in the world, and they don't change traditions.

And they DO start 2-wide in IndyCar (do you even WATCH IndyCar?). The drivers complained. It's too dangerous in an open-wheeled car to run wheel-to-wheel on restarts, but they start and restart 2-wide at most tracks to appease the fans. I'm not sure why you're fixated on this little insignificant piece of trivia, but you keep bringing it up.

You can take an F1 or IndyCar driver and put them in a NASCAR car or truck, and they can run a full race. It's not that hard. The hard part is winning, being competitive, being consistent. That's what separates the Top 20 from the rest of the pack. But you can't take a NASCAR driver and put them in an F1 car for an entire race. They'd pass out. They don't have the physical conditioning required to endure the g-forces for more than a lap or two.

An F1 driver is like an F-16 fighter pilot, and a NASCAR driver is like a Boeing 777 pilot. One is all about speed, g-forces, and the highest tech in the world. The other is about being smooth and steady for long hours at a time. Yet they're both excellent pilots.

[Alvin]

This is the hot topic again this weekend during qualifying:

Force, DeJoria, Enders-Stevens discuss upcoming 100th female win - See more at: http://www.nhra.com/story/2014/4/9/f....MWKobrH8.dpuf

The Cold Hard Facts:
"Here’s a brief history of female drag racers who have competed in the NHRA, as well as those who have won races (and how many)." http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com...owney/related/

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

Champ, we've been through this all before. Again, they start 3-wide at Indy because it's TRADITION. They also still sing "Back Home Again In Indiana", and the winning driver still takes a swig of milk at the end. It's the oldest race and most famous race in the world, and they don't change traditions.

I repeat - if they can start the race three wide - they can restart the race three wide.

Traditions are changed all the time. Traditionally, the Indy 500 was always run on Memorial Day proper (May 30th) regardless of the day of the week through 1970. Then in 1971 - 72 it was run on Saturday of the Memorial Day weekend. Since 1974 it has been scheduled for the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend.

So you say that they intentionally start the race 3 wide because of tradition even though you claim it is too dangerous to restart a race 2 wide? They intentionally put the drivers at risk because of tradition - but they change the traditional date of the race for a whim?

You can't have it both ways.

And they DO start 2-wide in IndyCar (do you even WATCH IndyCar?). The drivers complained. It's too dangerous in an open-wheeled car to run wheel-to-wheel on restarts, but they start and restart 2-wide at most tracks to appease the fans. I'm not sure why you're fixated on this little insignificant piece of trivia, but you keep bringing it up.

First of all - where did I ever say anything about STARTING an IndyCar race 2 wide? Never happened. I specifically said restart and was referring to the Indy 500 in my post when I commented about restarting do.

Secondly - as you brought up - the start an IndyCar race 2 wide, so there is no reason why they can't "RESTART 33 cars on a 2.5 mile track double file".

I would even accept a single file restart (to appease you) if they would at least try and have the cars in the same area code. As I posted earlier - the cars are so strung out that it makes a mockery of a restart.

I rarely bother watching IndyCar racing. It's not a competitive series IMHO. I find it boring.

[MikeNoun]

[hada76]

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

You can take an F1 or IndyCar driver and put them in a NASCAR car or truck, and they can run a full race. It's not that hard. The hard part is winning, being competitive, being consistent. That's what separates the Top 20 from the rest of the pack. But you can't take a NASCAR driver and put them in an F1 car for an entire race. They'd pass out. They don't have the physical conditioning required to endure the g-forces for more than a lap or two.

An F1 driver is like an F-16 fighter pilot, and a NASCAR driver is like a Boeing 777 pilot. One is all about speed, g-forces, and the highest tech in the world. The other is about being smooth and steady for long hours at a time. Yet they're both excellent pilots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVi87BY6fAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yaCqriUgXI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdGTKt7a45Q

[MikeNoun]

Thank you for posting those links hada76. That proves my point.

A NASCAR driver can make a lap or two, then they'd pass out after that. Too much strain.

Lewis Hamilton, who had never even sat in a NASCAR car in his entire life, who had never had to use a clutch and shifter in his whole professional career, who had never driven Watkins Glen before, managed to generate times within a few seconds of the legendary Tony Stewart's best times. And Hamilton kept improving by a second a lap, which is normal considering he'd never driven the track before.

Tony Stewart did very well, and he said sitting in a Formula One car was "truly the experience of a lifetime". He also said he enjoyed the ride so much that if he knew what it felt like to drive an F1 car 20 years ago instead of discovering it on Tuesday, he might have never done NASCAR.

Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart did quite well considering the F1's cars capabilities were beyond their driving abilities, but they could learn to drive them. They admittedly managed to get around 80% of the F1 car's capabilities figured out.

[David Holmberg]

Originally Posted by KS circutguy

She sure looks hot in this picture driving a real race car.lol

And Michael Andretti said the day she left his organization was one of his best days, ever. Then added something about all the high school drama leaving as well.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by David Holmberg

And Michael Andretti said the day she left his organization was one of his best days, ever. Then added something about all the high school drama leaving as well.

Reminds me of this: "best 2 days of boat ownership are: day you buy & day you sell!"

[MikeNoun]

This is NOT a good picture of her, but the look is familiar....

Wait! I got it!

[MikeNoun]

Alvin, I'm a fan of the MotoGP series, and I marvel at how much guts (and talent) those guys have. One mistake going into a turn in NASCAR and you slide up the hill, maybe tap the wall, and keep going. In MotoGP, one mistake and you usually end up with a broken wrist or collarbone.

Supercross has to be one of the most grueling both physically and mentally, along with Formula 1.

PonchoV8, I didn't quite get the Scott Stapp reference? Please explain!

Stapp sang the National Anthem at a NASCAR race a few years ago, and he was simply awful.

[PonchoV8]

Shave her hair back and you have it nailed. There ain't nothing "hot" about a 12 yr old boy's body with manly hands and jack-o'-lantern eyebrows.

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

This is NOT a good picture of her, but the look is familiar....

Wait! I got it!

Hey, Steve, doncha just think Tom Cruise is so hot?! Do you like him without facial hair?



Or with the facial hair?

[65blackplate]

Originally Posted by KS circutguy

She sure looks hot in this picture driving a real race car.lol

I don't know about hot in the pic she almost all ways has that scowl on her face
unless it is a commercial...........
I bet she is a lot of fun to live with