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Old 06-14-2014, 09:48 PM
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Sounds like your A/C system is building up pressure at idle, which can mean your fan isn't pulling air through your condenser. Do you have a bad fan clutch? It could also be your system is overcharged. You belt is loose or wore out.


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What did you have redone? Like GOLDOHC said check the belt.

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Old 06-15-2014, 09:35 AM
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I have a new compressor, accumulator and evaporator. The ac hose assembly has been rebuilt. The belt is new and seems to be tight enough so I do not think it is the problem. I think it may be the fan clutch. The fan does not move much at all when I spin it with my hand. Isn't that an indication the clutch could be bad? I have also noticed the car is running a little hotter than it used to run. Thanks for the suggestions.

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Old 06-15-2014, 09:33 PM
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Sounds like your A/C system is building up pressure at idle, which can mean your fan isn't pulling air through your condenser. Do you have a bad fan clutch? It could also be your system is overcharged. You belt is loose or wore out.


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Sounds like too much head pressure.....

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Old 06-16-2014, 07:19 PM
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I have done some more research and this is what I have found. I adjusted the fast idle solenoid so the idle speed is not the problem. I have noticed the compressor is not cycling. It was previously but did not cycle any tonight. I hooked gauges to the low side and the pressure with the ac on is around 40 and it is cooling fine. The pressure starts rising and the compressor starts squealing when the pressure rises to around 50. Isn't the compressor supposed to cycle to keep the pressure at an acceptable level? What could be the cause of the compressor not cycling now? Could the system be overcharged? The 134 retro high side fitting is not any good and I can not check the high pressure until I get a new fitting.

Just went back out and started ac with car at 2000-2500 rpm. AC cools fine and low side pressure is constant at 38-39 with no cycling. Compressor starts squealing as soon as rpm is decreased.


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Old 06-16-2014, 08:12 PM
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Some of the a/c cars had a two wire hookup by the evaporator, that would cycle the compressor when the evaporator would drop below a set temperature. If I recall it was called a thermistor. Your correct, your low side temperature sounds high, but that doesn't mean it is overcharged.

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Your not bringing enough air through the condenser. At 2000 rpm (in park)hi speed fan and MAX or recirculate bring your low side to between 30-35 on the gauge. This will give you very close to the right amount of freon. With all that if your situation does not better at an idle. Buy a heavy duty fan clutch such as a Haydon. You need to get as much air through your condenser as possible!!!!!! You are running 134A in a system that was designed for R12, the condensers on cars designed for 134A have more fins per inch. No real need to change the condenser though. I run 134A in my 71 T/A with no fancy tricks, ice cold on a 95* south Florida day, five years now.

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Old 06-17-2014, 05:05 PM
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The low side readings do not tell the story. You need to have someone check the high side reading. If you do it yourself be careful it will likely be reading 200+ PSI even at idle.

If the fan or clutch is not doing their job pulling enough air through the condenser, then the high side reading will rise dramatically (300+ PSI!!). This can definitely put excessive strain on the compressor making the belt slip. Once you get moving (20mph) the air flow through the condenser improves and the high side pressure stays in check.

If you cannot get the high side reading you can spray water on the front of the condenser and see if the squealing stops.

Be careful you are dealing with extremely high pressures on 1/2 of that system.

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I put a new fan clutch on the car and everything seems to be good now. I drove the car around some and had numerous stops where the rpm dropped to 1000 or so and the compressor never squealed. Engine temperatures also seem to be more consistent. Thanks everyone for your input and help!

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UPDATE: The ac has squealed a couple times after I changed the fan clutch. It seems the compressor never squeals when I am on MAX but it has squealed twice when I have the ac set to NORM with the fan on high at stop or very slow speed. Any thoughts on why it will squeal at NORM but not on MAX? Thanks.

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