[John V.]

Without the VIN I don't think you will find it.

I assume the dealer is long out of business. There was a guy here that had sales records from his family's dealership from back in the '60s as I recall. What he had was way cool and extremely rare IMO. But unless you can locate a former owner and on the extremely unlikely chance that they kept the old sales records, that is just another dead end.

If you won the lotto and wanted to spend it on PHS records, you could purchase thousands of PHS records and try to find it by matching a record to what you do know.

Most likely a '65 sold in NJ was built at the Pontiac or Baltimore Plants, but even in a 3 month period, that is probably over 100,000 records to sift thru. PHS won't be able to help in the search, they will only send you the requested VIN records. The '65 Billing History Cards show the dealer code, but PHS can't search the records by dealer code, only by VIN.

You say you contacted GTOAA and got no response.

If you join GTOAA and also POCI, I believe you can run a classified in both publications seeking info about a car you are trying to find.

Most doing this post the VIN of a car they'd like to have back.

In your case, you would be asking about a GTO identified only by the original selling dealer and code and a description of the car.

If the car still exists maybe somebody would recognize it.

Do you have any good pictures of it?

I'm afraid you are very unlikely to discover the VIN. You already pursued the two best possibilities, DMV and the Insurance Co. Both may actually have records archived but even if they did, they aren't going to expend resources to sift thru them helping you find what you want.

But I would suggest posting pix of the car and as complete a description of it as you know right here at PY. Perhaps somebody will know of it.

By the early '70s, '65 GTOs were selling for a few hundred bucks (living in south Jersey I paid about $150 for a '64 GTO convertible from the original Phila dentist owner in '73) and suffered a lot of abuse at the hands of young drivers like me that bought them cheap and drove 'em hard. If it was being eaten up by NJ road salt, might not have celebrated its 15th birthday.

If it survived the '70s, it is more likely to still exist, by 1980 the GTO was already widely viewed as collectible and starting to appreciate in value.

One other thought. Contact/join the NJ state chapters of GTOAA and POCI. If the car remained in NJ, local guys are more apt to recognize it by pictures and description.

Good luck!

[Alvin]

Agree w John V

If you join GTOAA and also POCI, I believe you can run a classified in both publications seeking info about a car you are trying to find.

Most doing this post the VIN of a car they'd like to have back.

In your case, you would be asking about a GTO identified only by the original selling dealer and code and a description of the car.

If the car still exists maybe somebody would recognize it.

Do you have any good pictures of it?

Just received the latest issue of POCI's monthly "Smoke Signals" magazine and in the Classifieds section is this feature you may be interested in utilizing:

LOST & FOUND (NEW)
Use this new section to locate specific cars you admired or once owned to purchase back or just to find out what happened to it. Please include VIN of you have it- thanks!

Several ads are posted in that section with color pix of cars people are trying to find, like you.

http://poci.org/

"Test Drive the Smoke Signals Magazine"

[jeff chmura]

Hi Alvin,
I don't have pictures, but I have some 8MM home movies of the car converted to DVD.
I'll have to try to capture a picture and post it.
I also agree that asking for info from the dealer records, but the way I'm thinking is that if its still out there, someone would of did a PHS on it, and would see the dealer info and some of the options and say, "Wow, thats sounds like the one I have...."

Thanks Jeff

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by jeff chmura

Hi Alvin,
I don't have pictures, but I have some 8MM home movies of the car converted to DVD.
I'll have to try to capture a picture and post it.
I also agree that asking for info from the dealer records, but the way I'm thinking is that if its still out there, someone would of did a PHS on it, and would see the dealer info and some of the options and say, "Wow, thats sounds like the one I have...."

Thanks Jeff

Glad to assist w suggestions Jeff.
FWIW From the GTOAA GTO ID Guide's Pg 17 1965 "Options and Accessories" this:

Sales code no. 671 | U.P.C. code no. K66 | Description Transistor Ignition (w/582* or w/o 582*)

*582 C60 Air Conditioner – Tri-Comfort

Hope this helps. Keep us posted.

[jeff chmura]

Hi Alvin,
From what I understand, the electronic ignition option for these was quite rare. It was more popular on the chevy models than on the Pontiac.
They were problematic too from what I understand.
My Dad told me that the end of the spark plugs would burn off after 3000 miles and when it was damp outside, under the hood looked like a Christmas light show. He ended up putting a Mallary dual point distrubutor in.
I would think that that one option alone would stand out more. There can't be too many out there.
I'm going to try to get a picture from the 8MM and post it.
Jeff

[jeff chmura]

Heres a description of the car....Things I know of
1965 GTO Hardtop
Burgandy (N code)
Black interior
Rally gauges
console
4 speed close ratio
3.90 posi
tripower
AM/FM radio
vibra-phonic (reverb)
metallic brake linings
aluminum brake drums
electronic ignition
Deluxe hub caps
Traded it in in about 1969-1970 for a 1968 427 vette..
This car was bought at Walter Hollmar Pontiac, Hightstown NJ in either late '64 or early '65
Car changed hands about 4-5 times until the the mid to late '70's when was bought by a friend of a friend of my Dad and I was told that "car was pretty ratted out" at that time.I don't know if he ment tired,rusty or both. He sold it in late 70's
He has no other info about the car either.

If someone has any info on this car, please contact me.
Thanks Jeff