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Old 12-25-2014, 01:32 AM
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Thanks everybody. The car was built in Baltimore.It was sold new in State College PA.I will get some pics posted.I don't know very much about its history yet.The car has been in the PA,NJ,DE area for many years and still is.

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Old 07-04-2015, 01:52 AM
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HOLY CHIT !

My apologies to GTOwolf for completely missing the debut of his Ram Air II GTO / Documents after trying to hunt him down for years.

I was off the internet and forums for a while from about Sept through this May.
Sorry I missed out and just now seeing your Buildsheet for the first time.

I will do a breakdown/option listing/price listing for your car like I have done for the rest of them and post it up soon.

Thanks many muchos for sharing your car and Buildsheet with us !

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Old 07-04-2015, 02:11 AM
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The reason I came and dug this thread up tonight was because I just got wind that another Ram Air II GTO owner has found us.

CONVERTIBLE DeuceBurger
4 speed cog swapper ... fries and a shake.
They have had it since 1988

Happy 4th to all you guys and gals .

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Old 07-04-2015, 07:49 AM
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The reason I came and dug this thread up tonight was because I just got wind that another Ram Air II GTO owner has found us.

CONVERTIBLE DeuceBurger
4 speed cog swapper ... fries and a shake.
They have had it since 1988

Happy 4th to all you guys and gals .
Voodoo Green, Black, Black as well!

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Old 07-04-2015, 04:02 PM
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68 GTO Hardtop, Ram Air II, 4speed
Black, Black Vinyl Top, Black Bucket Seats

242378P318xxx = PMD Plant
Build Date May 29, 1968
Dealer / Zone 07-631 = PMD Retail Store

SVT - Cordova Top ...................................... 94.79
347 - Ram Air II ....................................... 473.94
358 - M21 4speed ..................................... 184.31
361 - STT HD Posi ....................................... 63.19
37S - 4.33 Axle ............................................ n/c
382 - AM Radio ........................................... 61.09
414 - HideAways......................................... 52.66
444 - Rally Gauges & Tach ........................... 84.26
461 - Deluxe Wheel Discs ............................ 21.06
494 - Rally Stripes ...................................... 10.53
502 - Pwr Brakes ......................................... 42.13
521 - Frt Disc Brakes ................................... 63.19
531 - SoftRay ALL ....................................... 34.76
621 - Ride & Handle....................................... 4.21
71R/72C - G77 x14 Redlines........................... n/c
754 - Frt Shoulder Belts ................................. n/c

Options Total ............................................ 1190.12

Base Price ................................................ 3101.00
Destination .................................................. 10.75

Label Price ................................................ 4301.87


I took liberty with destination charge from a 1970 GTO that sold through Retail Store.
1968 charge could have been less - or zero.

If I missed any options due to the darkness of document, please let me know.

If you can fill in the Road Wheel Code and Fan Spacer Code for us that would be cool too.
WT car with RC tires and Poverty Caps shows HG wheel code, yours looks more like HF code ?


Block WY - Carb XX (7028273) - Trans FT - Axle ZL

Air Cleaner - 826 = Standard 4bbl GTO Breather Installed = R/A components Un-Installed / In Trunk
(Ram Air Induction Memo Attached ^ )


PNT STR - C = Cameo Ivory Rally Stripes (Lower Body Accent)
Road Wheel - H _ (code next to valve stem)
WHL COL - A = Black Steel Wheels
Wheel Disc - 22 = Deluxe Wheel Disc - Full Hubcaps

Radiator - PA = 4 core (WT engine got code PC)
Fan - 34 = likely a 7 blade high pitch (WT engine got code BB fan)
Spacer - 5 _ = (WT engine got code 53)

R/A II was supposed to be a de-clutching fan according to literature/memos/documents


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Old 07-04-2015, 04:19 PM
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Hey Wolfman-Black , don't you also have the PHS Billing History Card for this Dark Deuce of Spades machine ?

I'd like to have a copy of it too for my files and a cross-check.
THANKS !!

The Buildsheet is AWESOME Man !

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Old 07-06-2015, 01:28 AM
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Here is our newest addition to the Ram Air II GTO Registry.
It is the earliest built GTO unit we have documented so far.

The owner is from Arizona and was kind enough to share his BHC document and trim tag with us for the archives.

If I remember right - this is only the 4th Convertible we have confirmed.
Car/Ownership has some pretty wild/interesting back story along with it.
Hopefully he will chime in soon and tell a bit.

Will go back through and update the listing and totals later on this evening.






1968 GTO Convertible
Ram Air II , 4speed
VooDoo Green, Black Buckets, Black Top
VIN 242678R1845xx = Arlington Texas Plant
Body Build Date 05D
Billing Date - May 27, 1968
Dealer 24-124 = A. Haskell Pontiac - Culver City, California

347 - Ram Air ................................... blank
358 - 4spd M21 ............................... 184.31
361 - STT HD Posi ............................. 63.19
37S - 4.33 Axle .................................. n/c
382 - AM Radio...................................61.09
394 - Stereo Tape Player ...................133.76
453 - Rally 2's .................................. 84.26
474 - Electric Clock ..............................0.00 (redundant)
484 - Rally Gauges & Clock .................50.55
501 - Power Steer...............................94.79
521 - Front Discs................................63.19
71R/72C - G77x14 Redlines................. n/c

Options Total ...................................735.14



Convertible Base........................... 3327.00
Destination..................................... 150.00

Ram Air I .......................................357.29

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Total ............................................4569.4 3

Label Price.....................................4569.43

*BHC Memo Adjustment for Ram Air II Engine..... 101.65

*Jim Mino has given us previous example of one of the very first few Firebird Ram Air II cars that was initially billed as Ram Air I and Memo'd / Adjusted to Ram Air II in this exact same fashion.
The first week of production / billing for Ram Air II must have been a little sketchy.

*This is the earliest Ram Air II GTO documented so far.
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Old 07-05-2015, 11:19 AM
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R/A II was supposed to be a de-clutching fan according to literature/memos/documents


What would that fan look like? Is there a spacer involved?

Thanks for sharing the bulletin regarding the RA stuff being dealer installed. So, how would the vehicle ship from the factory? With a regular or some kind of temporary air cleaner? Were the closed scoops and temporary cleaner provided to the customer so they could reinstall when needed?

Do we have any photos showing how the engine bay looked as shipped? (Without the RA stuff installed)

Excellent thread!

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Old 07-06-2015, 06:07 AM
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Somehow I completely missed this post earlier.

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What would that fan look like? Is there a spacer involved?
I think that has been an open-end question for some time now with various answers. The codes from GTOwolf's Bsheet should lead to some more definite answers though.

Thanks for sharing the bulletin regarding the RA stuff being dealer installed. So, how would the vehicle ship from the factory? With a regular or some kind of temporary air cleaner?
The same Air Cleaner mounted as a Base Engine GTO. Single Snorkel with a Chrome Lid. The Air Cleaner Code on GTOwolf's Bsheet is the same code as all 3 Base Engine (WT and YS) GTO Bsheets I have on file.
Am going to re-post Wolfman's Bsheet and another Bsheet from a 1 option Base WT GTO in another post later - so all things can be compared easily.



Were the closed scoops and temporary cleaner provided to the customer so they could reinstall when needed?
That is our understanding. But hard to say what might have actually happened with every car at every dealership.

Do we have any photos showing how the engine bay looked as shipped? (Without the RA stuff installed)
Not that I can recall.

Excellent thread!
There is another one with a lot of info also - Roll Call for the 68 Firebird Ram Air II's in the 67-69 Bird Department.

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Old 07-08-2015, 12:21 AM
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68 GTO Hardtop, Ram Air II, 4speed
Black, Black Vinyl Top, Black Bucket Seats

242378P318xxx = PMD Plant
Build Date May 29, 1968
Dealer / Zone 07-631 = PMD Retail Store

SVT - Cordova Top ...................................... 94.79
347 - Ram Air II ....................................... 473.94
358 - M21 4speed ..................................... 184.31
361 - STT HD Posi ....................................... 63.19
37S - 4.33 Axle ............................................ n/c
382 - AM Radio ........................................... 61.09
414 - HideAways......................................... 52.66
444 - Rally Gauges & Tach ........................... 84.26
461 - Deluxe Wheel Discs ............................ 21.06
494 - Rally Stripes ...................................... 10.53
502 - Pwr Brakes ......................................... 42.13
521 - Frt Disc Brakes ................................... 63.19
531 - SoftRay ALL ....................................... 34.76
621 - Ride & Handle....................................... 4.21
71R/72C - G77 x14 Redlines........................... n/c
754 - Frt Shoulder Belts ................................. n/c

Options Total ............................................ 1190.12

Base Price ................................................ 3101.00
Destination .................................................. 10.75

Label Price ................................................ 4301.87


I took liberty with destination charge from a 1970 GTO that sold through Retail Store.
1968 charge could have been less - or zero.

If I missed any options due to the darkness of document, please let me know.

If you can fill in the Road Wheel Code and Fan Spacer Code for us that would be cool too.
WT car with RC tires and Poverty Caps shows HG wheel code, yours looks more like HF code ?


Block WY - Carb XX (7028273) - Trans FT - Axle ZL

Air Cleaner - 826 = Standard 4bbl GTO Breather Installed = R/A components Un-Installed / In Trunk
(Ram Air Induction Memo Attached ^ )


PNT STR - C = Cameo Ivory Rally Stripes (Lower Body Accent)
Road Wheel - H _ (code next to valve stem)
WHL COL - A = Black Steel Wheels
Wheel Disc - 22 = Deluxe Wheel Disc - Full Hubcaps

Radiator - PA = 4 core (WT engine got code PC)
Fan - 34 = likely a 7 blade high pitch (WT engine got code BB fan)
Spacer - 5 _ = (WT engine got code 53)

R/A II was supposed to be a de-clutching fan according to literature/memos/documents


Woodgrain steering wheel , my tach only goes to 5,200 as far as red line it did have a de clutching fan on it PA tag still there on Rad, anything else I can think of I'll let you know TY so much B.V.Z

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Old 07-08-2015, 12:41 AM
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Woodgrain steering wheel , my tach only goes to 5,200 as far as red line it did have a de clutching fan on it PA tag still there on Rad, anything else I can think of I'll let you know TY so much B.V.Z
No problem at all Wolf.
And thanks again for sharing your Buildsheet - A W E S O M E !

If you have the BHC for your car, would be great to companion it for the archives.
And the Body Build date from trim tag.

And would REALLY like a copy of the Red-Black 4spd #11 BHC if you could email it or post it.

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