[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Lloyd-TX

Unsure of the color, Chris. Guessing Cameo or Monarch?

Cameo GT's got the blue reflective stripe, Monarch cars got black.

Article says it is Yellow. (Monarch most likely)

Originally Posted by Boss

Mike also has a Lucy/white/white HO/stick Sport Vert, & Ross has the Wilderness Green/White/White HO/auto Sport Vert.

I've also located another one of the HO Sport Vert's, an auto & it's also Lucy/white/white.

Have one more - Green/Black/Wht Buckets, Sport Vert 455HO Auto
Sold new in Antioch, IL. Nice resto , sold at a Mecum auction within past few years or so. Either Rick Hendricks sold it ... or bought it - iirc

I thought Mike at one time had a Sundance HO 4spd SportVert.
Maybe was Blue all along.

[muscle_collector]

so based on this phs sheet, what wheels should my lemans sport / gt have?
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1438034874

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

The GT part , got you 14x7 Rally2 w/o Rings and G70x14 RWL
- as a Baseline Inclusive.

The Y99 / 724 Pkg upgraded that to 15x7 Rally2 with Rings.
Just like the Yellow GT400 magazine test car.
15x7 Rally 2 with Rings, and Raised White Letter tires.

Y99 / 724 on a Lemans Sport = $236 (15" steelies with RWL)

Y99 / 724 on a GTO = $186 (15" steelies with RWL)

Y99 / 724 on a GT = $159 (15" R2 with Rings and RWL)


The GTO and Lemans Sport both had 14" Plain Steel w/ Dogs and Blackwalls as standard.
But the GTO had better springs/shocks & Regular Size Frt / Rr sway bars.
That is the price variance between them on the option.

The GT had probably same spring/shock pkg as GTO - but no Rear Sway Bar.
The GT already had like a double upgrade on the wheels (14x7)
So those considerations made the price variance between them on the option.

14x7 R2's were $87
G70x14 RWL were $42

Y99 had its own spring/shock package above/beyond base GTO, and the huge frt and rr bars , Pwr Assist steering with fast ratio box, 15" base wheels and RWL tires, etc...

[Neil E]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

The GT part , got you 14x7 Rally2 w/o Rings and G70x14 RWL
- as a Baseline Inclusive.

The Y99 / 724 Pkg upgraded that to 15x7 Rally2 with Rings.
Just like the Yellow GT400 magazine test car.
15x7 Rally 2 with Rings, and Raised White Letter tires.

Y99 / 724 on a Lemans Sport = $236 (15" steelies with RWL)

Y99 / 724 on a GTO = $186 (15" steelies with RWL)

Y99 / 724 on a GT = $159 (15" R2 with Rings and RWL)


The GTO and Lemans Sport both had 14" Plain Steel w/ Dogs and Blackwalls as standard.
But the GTO had better springs/shocks & Regular Size Frt / Rr sway bars.
That is the price variance between them on the option.

The GT had probably same spring/shock pkg as GTO - but no Rear Sway Bar.
The GT already had like a double upgrade on the wheels (14x7)
So those considerations made the price variance between them on the option.

14x7 R2's were $87
G70x14 RWL were $42

Y99 had its own spring/shock package above/beyond base GTO, and the huge frt and rr bars , Pwr Assist steering with fast ratio box, 15" base wheels and RWL tires, etc...

So a 72 LeMans Sport with the Y99 handling package would have come with 15" steelies with RWL and poverty caps and not Rally 2s?

['ol Pinion head]

correct, as long as the Sport option was not ordered, and optional rallyII's were optioned. Also if combined with with the GT option, if so should have rally II's. Have no idea what is up with Gary's GT Sport hardtop...being so well preserved, would be interesting to read the wheel box on the buildsheet of that one.

Last, all '72 LeMans Sport converts were limited to either 14x6 or 14x7 (honeycomb) wheels, no Y99 package avail on the converts.

[muscle_collector]

roger I have never looked for a buildsheet but am seriously thinking about it. would it be behind the door panel or back seat ????

['ol Pinion head]

Gary, just looked up your '72 GT/Sport on the old list and realized it is a Pontiac plant build. That is going to be a tough to find buildsheet. The 3 buildsheets I have out of 71 and 72 Pontiac plant builds, I found under the carpet on the passenger side of the transmission tunnel. They are the small style buildsheet and drew a bunch of resin up from the tar underpayment, two need to be soaked in laquer thinner. If it was a Lakewood build, then should be as simple as pulling the drivers doorpanel, know we've pulled our share of those.

[PB]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

roger I have never looked for a buildsheet but am seriously thinking about it. would it be behind the door panel or back seat ????

Yup, I've found in the same spot on my Pontiac build lemans, pass seat floor board.....other areas I've found :

Driver door panel
Top of gas tank
And most unusual was in a bucket seat...bottom back side of the seat.

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

so based on this phs sheet, what wheels should my lemans sport / gt have?
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1438034874

KR's.
Code 724 handling pkg aka Y99 includes the 15x7 wheels and there is no additional note on the invoice for honeycomb wheels.

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Article says it is Yellow.

Yep, that would be Monarch.

I suppose that I should re-read those old articles before I post 'em, eh?

[muscle_collector]

reason I ask, when I bought it, I figured it should have the 15" rallyes on it based on what I could find in the literature back in the mid 80's. but it has 15" steel rims and the guy said that it came with those and the half caps when he bought it new. I always figured the dealer must have done a swap.

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

reason I ask, when I bought it, I figured it should have the 15" rallyes on it based on what I could find in the literature back in the mid 80's. but it has 15" steel rims and the guy said that it came with those and the half caps when he bought it new. I always figured the dealer must have done a swap.

That or a foul up at the assembly plant. Who knows?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

.. always figured the dealer must have done a swap.

I'm just going by what the magazine article claimed.
Wonder if there is any other supporting PMD literature ?

The math on the Y99 option variances does seem to support the 15" Steelers if GT came with same suspension package as Lemans.
That would be giving credit allowance for R2's , and small upcharge between 14" and 15" RWL tires.
$77 difference between Lemans and GT for the Y99 - one way or another.

Originally Posted by Lloyd

the WW5 option was only available on GTO-optioned cars

Have you noticed PB's signature line lately ?
1 Lemans Sport with WW5 , and almost 1 GT Sport
...just dry humor to keep it interesting

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Have you noticed PB's signature line lately ?
1 Lemans Sport with WW5 , and almost 1 GT Sport
...just dry humor to keep it interesting

[PB]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Have you noticed PB's signature line lately ?
1 Lemans Sport with WW5 , and almost 1 GT Sport
...just dry humor to keep it interesting

Note the WW5 is in "air quotes" .

Original owner wanted a GTO, but didn't want to pay the insurance on one...so he ordered all the WW5 options on his lemans. MY favorite quote from him was " I didn't fool the first insurance company, but I fooled the second!"

A true factory ordered sleeper!!
Ha!