[johnta1]

The one from Allen Pontiac?

It is in order.
The numbers go left to right then down.

[johnta1]

Possibly you're in the other thread, which has a 70 Judge?

It is 1st because the code is 332 for the Judge option?

Loaded Judge

[johnta1]

Found a couple more Baltimore:
(added some info BVZ may like)

b155954
pattern Judge #35
2/10/69

TT 58 4sp zba477926

b156063
pattern Judge #42
2/26/69

TT 58 4sp zba526801

b1xxxxx
pattern Judge #77
2/17/69

TT 58 4sp zba498528

[johnta1]

And 3 #17 Judges:

a119xxx
pattern Judge #17
3/04/69

TT 57 Auto zaa544425
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g125xxx
pattern Judge #17
1/30/69

TT 57 Auto zga453185
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z114xxx
pattern Judge #17
2/05/69

TT 57 Auto zza468236?
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Just noticed they are all Parchment and Automatic.

[johnta1]

And a number above 2 digits:

z115xxx
pattern Judge #103
2/19/69

TT 58 4sp zzb508840

[judger69]

Originally Posted by johnta1

And a number above 2 digits:

z115xxx
pattern Judge #103
2/19/69

TT 58 4sp zzb508840

I have some info on this pattern Judge Dealer Order #00103 car z1155xx:

This car has a 01D cowl tag (I have a pic of it).

Freemont 58 4spd. zzb508840

Shipped to zone lot # 24 991 on Feb. 19, and sold to a dealership in California on March 11.

BVZ hope this doesn't aggravate your headache.

Is that a normal spread from the cowl tag 01D to the ship date Feb. 19?

[RAIVJUDGE]

Thanks for the information. Framingham and Fremont did there own thing

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by judger69

BVZ hope this doesn't aggravate your headache.

Is that a normal spread from the cowl tag 01D to the ship date Feb. 19?

LoL, not at all a problem on the old headaches Man.

The "ship dates" on these Pattern Cars is when they left from the Zone Storage Holding Lots (xx-99x). Relates nothing to when the car was built or left the factory.
These are their own little animal in many ways.

I would expect a Fremont 115xxx to be a 1D
114xxx to be 1C
113xxx to be 1B

It probably won't be "exactly" that cut and dry - but pretty close.
With the the normal few exceptions to be expected here and there around the edges.

Have seen examples of 1C and 1D with earlier "ship dates" than a 1B .
The "ship dates" are virtually useless on these other than to be entertaining,
and indicates there was likely a timed release statute involved - we suppose.

They have a ship date / date of note / and a date of interest starting (if GMAC).
The Feb date is when it left the zone lot to go to that dealer.
The March date is probably the interest date.

[johnta1]

One question in regards to the buildsheet posted.

Sorry was looking at a ton of PHS'



The buildsheet probably has it at the top because it is showing the stripe/decal color I think?

[johnta1]

Also appears to be a Framington thing.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Also appears to be a Framington thing.

Yep.
I have 4-5 Framingham 69 Judge B-Sheets
All of them are done that same way.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks for those data entries John.
Can see the same potential pattern of head counting on some of yours that are real close together in VIN sequence.

The ship dates from Zone Lots are so useless its almost pathetic. lol
B151xxx was right with the Canadian Car that went out Jan 23,
but the Pattern Car stalled until Feb 13.
It also would have been a 1B body.

Glad you found the 00103 example !

The 00017's make my skin crawl.

In case this pans out -
Need to give credit to Bet Winner for the original suggestion / thought.

That along with some of the info from the memo , is what spurred me to have another look at the Order Numbers ... again.

GTO JOHN and North are probably going to have the largest pools of Pattern Car files.
Half or more of mine are trapped on a crashed hard drive.

Some time soon should start another thread asking for others to share their Pattern Car data info's too.

Baltimore and Fremont examples looks like the best way to handle it instead of trying to do all 5 plants.