[ta man]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Thanks for clearing that up. By no means am I referring to you, your business or your ability. I reread the "qoute" and see how/why you would take it personally. I am referring to the hydraulic roller cam / aluminum D-port combinations in general. From my past experiences I see nothing impressive about bolting on a set of ported aluminum heads and a hydraulic roller cam and running mid elevens (let alone spending a lot of time playing with valve springs and putting solid rollers on a HR cam) I thought it was a good idea to "raise the bar" and have the Pontiac community be challenged to maybe run better. There has been a lot of bashing of the 041 and ported 6X combinations on this site over the years and they ran solid elevens.
I disagree with your thought there aren't streetable iron d-port combinations that can run mid elevens. I can't believe your 260 cfm CNC iron d-ports with a good HFT would not be able to run in the mid elevens.
Again it's nothing aimed personally towards you or your shop, I feel your head combinations offer a lot of bang for the buck.

Its much much easier to run mid 11's and more common with Aluminum d ports and hyd rollers.Not many can duplicate Jim Hands performance..with cast iron d ports and a 041 cam...but his car was beyond dialed in..

[ponjohn]

Originally Posted by ta man

Its much much easier to run mid 11's and more common with Aluminum d ports and hyd rollers.Not many can duplicate Jim Hands performance..with cast iron d ports and a 041 cam...but his car was beyond dialed in..

It is just like modern technology golf clubs. They new tech allows the below average player to play above average.

The tools that Dave is offering allows the average Joe to put a combo together with a recipe with very repeatable results.**

** assuming attention to the details are followed.

As noted above, I also don't need to be pioneer, I don't have the funds to try 10 different cams and 5 different sets of lifters. I WOULD be willing to give a set of hyd roller lifters a try vs the hybrid.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by ta man

Its much much easier to run mid 11's and more common with Aluminum d ports and hyd rollers.Not many can duplicate Jim Hands performance..with cast iron d ports and a 041 cam...but his car was beyond dialed in..

Your car is dialed in pretty good and I would bet you will figure out how to make it faster. Your car's performance is an excellent example of what happens when you are "never satisfied"... I believe Jim H. shared that attitude and never gave up searching for ways to make his vehicle faster... if he wold have continued racing he probably would be in the ten's by now...using iron d-ports and a HFT with Rhoades lifters!

[ta man]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Your car is dialed in pretty good and I would bet you will figure out how to make it faster. Your car's performance is an excellent example of what happens when you are "never satisfied"... I believe Jim H. shared that attitude and never gave up searching for ways to make his vehicle faster... if he wold have continued racing he probably would be in the ten's by now...using iron d-ports and a HFT with Rhoades lifters!

Yes..it is all the little things that add up....one of my biggest pet peeves is"Its only worth half a tenth..if that"..drives me crazy..

[ta man]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Your car is dialed in pretty good and I would bet you will figure out how to make it faster. Your car's performance is an excellent example of what happens when you are "never satisfied"... I believe Jim H. shared that attitude and never gave up searching for ways to make his vehicle faster... if he wold have continued racing he probably would be in the ten's by now...using iron d-ports and a HFT with Rhoades lifters!

The key is faster and keeping it comfortable on the street.

[77 TRASHCAN]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Your car is dialed in pretty good and I would bet you will figure out how to make it faster. Your car's performance is an excellent example of what happens when you are "never satisfied"... I believe Jim H. shared that attitude and never gave up searching for ways to make his vehicle faster... if he wold have continued racing he probably would be in the ten's by now...using iron d-ports and a HFT with Rhoades lifters!

LOL, I agree! Jim was still tinkering with his combo right up to time he decided to become less active in his hobby!

[i82much]

Originally Posted by ta man

Its much much easier to run mid 11's and more common with Aluminum d ports and hyd rollers.Not many can duplicate Jim Hands performance..with cast iron d ports and a 041 cam...but his car was beyond dialed in..

yeah most guys with iron heads and hft are in the 12s. most guys with roller and aluminum heads are in the 11s. i see a lot of value in the roller/aluminum route especially if, like most of us, you have some time constraints.