[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Lol. Listen up phuctard. You go trolling around the internet coping and pasting all kinds of crap and you think that makes you a genius. You are anything but. You think you have mastered physics yet have accomplished NOTHING but a bromance with another calculator queer. You have never faced the fact that your ideas are only that. The truth is you are obssesed with being precieved as a genius because your intellect is not up to your own standards. FACT

John may well know more about my sheets than i think he does. But he does not care about anything I do and therefore puts almost no thought in it outside the displays about him not caring.

I'm sure you both think we just keep making more power because we are lucky and have no clue at all how or what to do and just make some knee jerk choice and get lucky over and over.....right? Because johns engine builder skewed my Dyno results to try and make me look better? Or him worse? Really???? You guys think uncle tony would do that???? Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard out of.

Yea we are just knuckle draggers that get lucky. Never thought of physics. Hell we can't even pronounce it. Besides we hated gym class.....Right

We made 1067, 1137,1172, and more than that by about the same improvement. And will improve again. All luck and stretching dynos though.

RIGHT?????

Mike,
I know this is getting to you. But just calm down. I sure do not want to be the reason that you have a stroke or heart attach.

Have a great day!

Stan

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Mike,
I know this is getting to you. But just calm down. I sure do not want to be the reason that you have a stroke or heart attach.

Have a great day!

Stan

Don't worry Stan. Your opinions not matter to me enough to cause any real discomfort. Although you do make my head hurt a little bit sometimes.


So I'm curious did you finally give up on your engine coating theory? Have you called someone that maybe works at a NASCAR team or pro stock team that isn't using it?

[John Langer]

I wouldnt guess those dyno results are from a Pontiac. Makes no torque. Wouldn't pull down the track. Maybe a bbc? From the correction factor, it must have either been pulled in Denver in the middle of summer or the operator got happy and turned the knob. Let's get back to what it would take to make 2.3@565".

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by John Langer

I wouldnt guess those dyno results are from a Pontiac. Makes no torque. Wouldn't pull down the track. Maybe a bbc? From the correction factor, it must have either been pulled in Denver in the middle of summer or the operator got happy and turned the knob. Let's get back to what it would take to make 2.3@565".

How close are you to Dyno?

[John Langer]

1400 miles. It's in Indiana and I'm in New Mexico.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by John Langer

1400 miles. It's in Indiana and I'm in New Mexico.

All right now that we know the distance from you to the Dyno how about a timeframe from the time your engine is ready to go on the Dyno?

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by mike leech

All right now that we know the distance from you to the Dyno how about a timeframe from the time your engine is ready to go on the Dyno?

2 weeks +/- after receiving shaft bars. Have everything else. Heads are done. Intake is pretty much done.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by John Langer

I wouldnt guess those dyno results are from a Pontiac. Makes no torque. Wouldn't pull down the track. Maybe a bbc? From the correction factor, it must have either been pulled in Denver in the middle of summer or the operator got happy and turned the knob. Let's get back to what it would take to make 2.3@565".

John,
What SAE correction factor is used on the dyno you use? 5280 feet altitude is about 24.635 BP with 60F and zero vapor pressure SAE J607 is 1.2x.

Stan

[Half-Inch Stud]

Originally Posted by John Langer

I wouldnt guess those dyno results are from a Pontiac. Makes no torque. Wouldn't pull down the track. Maybe a bbc? From the correction factor, it must have either been pulled in Denver in the middle of summer or the operator got happy and turned the knob. Let's get back to what it would take to make 2.3@565".

Yes. Ahem, well when a 1st CYL fires and commences the POWER stroke, no other CYL shall fire u til That 1st CYL has opened the exhaust valve. This is a rule for multi-CYL engnes trying tomattian > 2.3 HP/CYL.

Next, When a CYL inhales to make max POWER, the air in motion ( momentum) shal be used to feed THAT CYL's next inhale. Therefore a tuned runner length.

Next, No such thing as a shared PLENUM. Each CYL will have perfectly timed inhale momentum individually, or with it's " POWER-BALANCED" other CYL. Too tough to do with the V8, so individual.

Next, no such thing as raw fuel washing the runners and walls. Therefore get the runner to be a straight shot.

Time for comment/concurrance before I goes on.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Half-Inch Stud

Yes. Ahem, well when a 1st CYL fires and commences the POWER stroke, no other CYL shall fire u til That 1st CYL has opened the exhaust valve. This is a rule for multi-CYL engnes trying tomattian > 2.3 HP/CYL.

Next, When a CYL inhales to make max POWER, the air in motion ( momentum) shal be used to feed THAT CYL's next inhale. Therefore a tuned runner length.

Next, No such thing as a shared PLENUM. Each CYL will have perfectly timed inhale momentum individually, or with it's " POWER-BALANCED" other CYL. Too tough to do with the V8, so individual.

Next, no such thing as raw fuel washing the runners and walls. Therefore get the runner to be a straight shot.

Time for comment/concurrance before I goes on.

What no mention of scavaging effect and how overlap effects the fill? Oh wait we dont think of such things.....only calculatards can think......we just get lucky and have to ask others to think for us.... And explain how we got lucky.

Not refering to you mark

[Half-Inch Stud]

Originally Posted by mike leech

What no mention of scavaging effect and how overlap effects the fill? Oh wait we dont think of such things.....only calculatards can think......we just get lucky and have to ask others to think for us.... And explain how we got lucky.

Not refering to you mark

Yea I know. Ya know that getting back to topic would be cool though. Obvious your engine series didn't rely on 3 blind squirrels.

I'm fortunate to know an engine designer that has no respects for the V8 engine configuration to attain the 2.3 HP goals. As the fella has attained such HP/CID merit (higher) in the 70's with other engine configs. So, yea if folks are getting NA V8s past 2.3 then they are doing so with a poor intake and exhaust layout simply due to the VEE. In other words:

We need to throw the intake manifold out, and think out of the box for feeding per CYL. Same goes with the exhaust.

When I & O piping are done then "we" can sort out the cam requirements. Then...onto coatings!? HIS

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Half-Inch Stud

Yea I know. Ya know that getting back to topic would be cool though. Obvious your engine series didn't rely on 3 blind squirrels.

I'm fortunate to know an engine designer that has no respects for the V8 engine configuration to attain the 2.3 HP goals. As the fella has attained such HP/CID merit (higher) in the 70's with other engine configs. So, yea if folks are getting NA V8s past 2.3 then they are doing so with a poor intake and exhaust layout simply due to the VEE. In other words:

We need to throw the intake manifold out, and think out of the box for feeding per CYL. Same goes with the exhaust.

When I & O piping are done then "we" can sort out the cam requirements. Then...onto coatings!? HIS

I would love to go sheet metal and dual 4s but no class for it but top sportsman. As close as i would get to individual intakes. Just my opinion.

We are on track for 2.2 with silly old edlebrock rpm heads and a cast single 4.

Coatings.....as soon as they are worth power I'll be all in

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

What no mention of scavaging effect and how overlap effects the fill? Oh wait we dont think of such things.....only calculatards can think......we just get lucky and have to ask others to think for us.... And explain how we got lucky.

Not refering to you mark

Post #385

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Don,
I know it is a 4 cycle engine and you want to look at each of these cycles, but some of the important things happen during the overlap of cycles.

Stan

Stan

[pastry_chef]

Some say the ticket for well beyond 2.3 HP / cube of Pontiac have been sitting on a crate for 4 plus years.

Originally Posted by NHRASuperStock455SD

The new RAV engine being done must be 2.9HP per cubic inch to be on top 2.7 to be competitive. With our existing ports 2.7 for this engine is very capable, we must work very hard to get 2.9. We will post this project as it happens.

I think a mild set of RAV heads on a stock block 400 is worth 2HP per cubic inch.