[Chris Uratchko]

Originally Posted by slowbird

It's interesting the responses you get when you try to sell the $3000 intake for $1000-1500. People seem to focus on the heads and think a port matched intake is all that's needed.

LOL

That doesn't even scratch the surface of bizzaro world in engine building.

Most folks in the maximum effort category are wiling to shell 6-10k on cylinder head castings and rightly so after all the work involved.

But, for the engine guy, who is responsible for making it all happen .... you think he can charge 10k labor? Rarely......... if ever.

[dci]

Originally Posted by Chris Uratchko

LOL

That doesn't even scratch the surface of bizzaro world in engine building.

Most folks in the maximum effort category are wiling to shell 6-10k on cylinder head castings and rightly so after all the work involved.

But, for the engine guy, who is responsible for making it all happen .... you think he can charge 10k labor? Rarely......... if ever.

It's so bazaar to me that people don't value your time, expertise, experience, and ability to make it all function properly, but will go out and spend $3500.00 on a carburetor or $10,000 for a bare set of heads in hopes of picking up a half a tenth.. It's been a mystery to me since I started back in 1979. I would say the only people that know how much time it takes to design, make fit together, clean, assemble and figure out why something didn't work the way that you thought are less than 1%.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Badass for sure. These guys got it going on. Hope today goes good!!!!

Mike works hard for sure and deserves these results. .


EHTTFMF

[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by Chris Uratchko

LOL

That doesn't even scratch the surface of bizzaro world in engine building.

Most folks in the maximum effort category are wiling to shell 6-10k on cylinder head castings and rightly so after all the work involved.

But, for the engine guy, who is responsible for making it all happen .... you think he can charge 10k labor? Rarely......... if ever.

Depends on the clients, us poor Pontiac folks can't pay what you guys are worth. I can not afford a build like this, but the knowledge I keep getting is good for when I hit lotto. I cheaped out and added a turbo which has it's issues too.
Good luck Mike, Marcella posted a nice number he thinks it will hit.

[mike leech]

Well we were on our way. Now we got a little work to do

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by Chris Uratchko

LOL

That doesn't even scratch the surface of bizzaro world in engine building.

Most folks in the maximum effort category are wiling to shell 6-10k on cylinder head castings and rightly so after all the work involved.

But, for the engine guy, who is responsible for making it all happen .... you think he can charge 10k labor? Rarely......... if ever.

Chris jmo, but most guys that are doing this kind of racing can or have done a lot of this kind of work themselves-- In not saying the higher degrees that we are talking here but they have done "some" and so with some knowledge of how "they can do it " its real hard for most guys to pony up 120- 150 bucks an hour for some of this stuff to get done. Hope I made some sense.

[Chris Uratchko]

Originally Posted by cgeise

Chris jmo, but most guys that are doing this kind of racing can or have done a lot of this kind of work themselves-- In not saying the higher degrees that we are talking here but they have done "some" and so with some knowledge of how "they can do it " its real hard for most guys to pony up 120- 150 bucks an hour for some of this stuff to get done. Hope I made some sense.

To a degree you're right. But when you examine the hourly rate of other labors such as brake jobs, general vehicle maintenance, etc.... at over 100 per hour it is within reason to consider that you can make more money at those jobs than building engines.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Chris Uratchko

To a degree you're right. But when you examine the hourly rate of other labors such as brake jobs, general vehicle maintenance, etc.... at over 100 per hour it is within reason to consider that you can make more money at those jobs than building engines.

Thats sounds right. And thats just wrong.

Like the guy with a private airplane. He wants a FAA certified A&P mechanic that can go to prison for failures, but only pay him $15 hour. But takes his Cadillac to the dealer and pays through the nose for sevice on it because his wife drives it.

[greggutknecht]

But if you come to the dealership i work at ill give you a really nice brake job.lol

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Thats sounds right. And thats just wrong.

Like the guy with a private airplane. He wants a FAA certified A&P mechanic that can go to prison for failures, but only pay him $15 hour. But takes his Cadillac to the dealer and pays through the nose for sevice on it because his wife drives it.

I never said it was right or wrong just offered an opinion on why -- that's all. We all know that there are some guys in the automotive world that think there fookin "Artists" and that people should pay what ever comes out of there mouth == just because, they could be painters , head guys or whatever -- I, like most guys will pay a fair price for the level of product I want and expect, if that makes sense.
As far as the Dealership comparison-- not fair on some levels, the expenses in those places are crazy nuts, I know I ran some for 25 years, Do the independent guys have those same kind of expenses, no - or at least not many and not for long.

[greggutknecht]

GM forces them to send us to school and buy specialty tools both cost the dealer a fair amount but i do agree some of the costs are crazy.

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by cgeise

I never said it was right or wrong just offered an opinion on why -- that's all. We all know that there are some guys in the automotive world that think there fookin "Artists" and that people should pay what ever comes out of there mouth == just because, they could be painters , head guys or whatever -- I, like most guys will pay a fair price for the level of product I want and expect, if that makes sense.
As far as the Dealership comparison-- not fair on some levels, the expenses in those places are crazy nuts, I know I ran some for 25 years, Do the independent guys have those same kind of expenses, no - or at least not many and not for long.

And some guys don't have the slightest clue what that job actually involves both time wise and skill-wise. But somehow still manage to form an opinion of its value, expensive or not. Lol

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by john marcella

And some guys don't have the slightest clue what that job actually involves both time wise and skill-wise. But somehow still manage to form an opinion of its value, expensive or not. Lol

Are you Saying I don't have a clue ???

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by cgeise

I never said it was right or wrong just offered an opinion on why -- that's all. We all know that there are some guys in the automotive world that think there fookin "Artists" and that people should pay what ever comes out of there mouth == just because, they could be painters , head guys or whatever -- I, like most guys will pay a fair price for the level of product I want and expect, if that makes sense.
As far as the Dealership comparison-- not fair on some levels, the expenses in those places are crazy nuts, I know I ran some for 25 years, Do the independent guys have those same kind of expenses, no - or at least not many and not for long.

You missed the point. The a&p mechanic can be charged criminally. The grease monkey is held harmless. Regardless of opinion the A&P likely has a lot more education too.

The a hole with the plane and the caddy is the one who chooses which is worth what. Wouldnt you want the better service from the guy fixing the vehicle that cant be pulled over on the side of the road while the tow truck comes?

Its all perspective.

[mgarblik]

An automotive technician that causes injury or death to the car owner can most certainly be held liable if found to be negligent in court, and may serve jail time. A bus mechanic who screwed-up a brake job in my area went to jail for 2 years. Any technician who has any assets or plans to ever have any in the future better have some liability insurance. I carry $1,000,000 worth and try to do quality work.