[wheneaglesfly]

Originally Posted by J GLASGO

Haha! Used to think the same way. When I drive or race my Pontiacs, it takes me to a better time and place. New cars don't have that. I respect how much everyone on here loves there Pontiacs. I do to. I guess technology has somewhat changed my thought process. As far as a ra2 or 4 beating a hellcat ,that's not even a fair race. A good ra4,and I mean Good,(nhra comp) is about 380-390 HP as t wheels,hc is about 640. Let's say if a hellcat pulls up next to my Ra Gto,or SD bird,i ain't racing.

I see what Your saying.
Your forgetting about Gearing advantages the Hellcat does not have stock.

Most of the Record setting Pontiacs used 3.90, 4.30, 4.33 , 4.56, 4.88 , & 5.13 gears.

Streetable gearing ?
MMost would not say so today.

[wheneaglesfly]

Many of us can't afford IA2 Blocks.
Billet crankshafts.
Custom sheet metal intakes.
495-505-525+cubes.

Stuck with 350, 389,421, 428, 400, 455 factory iron.
.
Love to do a 4L80 E trans in my 1963 Grand Prix.
A Race level Lockup torque converter is $2,000-$5000 cash.
Even a stock replacement is $600-850.

[Wareagle]

Originally Posted by wheneaglesfly

Many of us can't afford IA2 Blocks.
Billet crankshafts.
Custom sheet metal intakes.
495-505-525+cubes.

Stuck with 350, 389,421, 428, 400, 455 factory iron.
.
Love to do a 4L80 E trans in my 1963 Grand Prix.
A Race level Lockup torque converter is $2,000-$5000 cash.
Even a stock replacement is $600-850.

From Butler Performance - Factory Pontiac Blocks are good to 700 -800 hp then they recommend the IA II Blocks etc. no need for this LS Stuff

[wheneaglesfly]

Originally Posted by Wareagle

From Butler Performance - Factory Pontiac Blocks are good to 700 -800 hp then they recommend the IA II Blocks etc. no need for this LS Stuff

Factory LS is no better than Factory Pontiac iron.
I am referring to C5 & C6 Corvette engines .
ZO6 with Aluminium block & Heads & Titanium connecting rods.
I worked in a Race ship last year and the customers supercharged ZO6 Corvette went Bang in a bad way on Chicago expressways.
Dart NSX block to replace was $5,000 cash.
Oil pump was a special Billet part.
$900 cash.
A $18,000 cash engine build not including labor.
C5-C7 Corvettes are a REAL PIA To put back together.

Lift required .

[wheneaglesfly]

Should not ignore LS & X.
If Pontiac Motors was around still LSX Would be used.

[goatwgn]

Originally Posted by wheneaglesfly

Factory LS is no better than Factory Pontiac iron.
I am referring to C5 & C6 Corvette engines .
ZO6 with Aluminium block & Heads & Titanium connecting rods.
I worked in a Race ship last year and the customers supercharged ZO6 Corvette went Bang in a bad way on Chicago expressways.
Dart NSX block to replace was $5,000 cash.
Oil pump was a special Billet part.
$900 cash.
A $18,000 cash engine build not including labor.
C5-C7 Corvettes are a REAL PIA To put back together.

Lift required .

I work in an independent shop that services all makes. I know exactly what you are talking about. And I don't care for the "displacement on demand" feature of some of the later "LS" style engines. Have seen more than one have a "switching" lifter collapse and cause it to run off 7 cylinders and wash the remaining one down in fuel. Have to pull heads on LS engines (and late model "Hemis") to change lifters. Have seen roller wheels lock up on a few of both, wiping out the cam and the engine with it. Have also seen the steel valve seats drop out of the aluminum heads on "Hemis" and take the engine with it. After all this time, they develop an engine that is overall pretty good, then ruin it with one or two potential drawbacks.