[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

As for E-heads making 3000 hp.....thats with power adders, and many heads are capable of that.

What other Pontiac heads have made 3000 horsepower?

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

What other Pontiac heads have made 3000 horsepower?

... What he's trying to point out may be easier to illustrate as a question ...

... Install Langer's Tiger heads, new or old, on the Butler ProMod and what happens ??? ... Or Marcella PP's, or Pickets Warp6's or Fulton CV-1's, or Jack's Visner heads ...

... See what he trying to say ?? ...

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... What he's trying to point out may be easier to illustrate as a question ...

... Install Langer's Tiger heads, new or old, on the Butler ProMod and what happens ??? ... Or Marcella PP's, or Pickets Warp6's or Fulton CV-1's, or Jack's Visner heads ...

... See what he trying to say ?? ...

TTB isn't it the "what ifs and failures" that started the bad wrapping of the CV'ies? No one is really sure what will happen until it's done. I wouldn't make assumptions, I'd talk about it after it's done.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

TTB isn't it the "what ifs and failures" that started the bad wrapping of the CV'ies? No one is really sure what will happen until it's done. I wouldn't make assumptions, I'd talk about it after it's done.

What was all that about making assumptions and talking about it all after its done? If people had done that here from the start things might in fact be different. Instead, some folks seemed to get a kick out of posting negative things about CV-1's almost from the start.

That's why I suggested a few posts back that all the folks who have bashed this head over the years should instead stand back and let it be. Then if the head fails they can say it was on its own and for its own lack of merits.

But you know...those who have contributed to the problem can't even be honest with themselves, let alone anyone else. And they post comments indicating they were only asking questions........only pointing out facts........

No, they didn't have anything to do with the negativity here. But they're lying. To themselves and everyone else who has seen it. And trust me, there are many who have watched here and thought exactly what I am saying but never posted.

An example. John Marcella. Knowledgeable guy, offers a lot. Has this head in fact been around for 7 years with no appreciable results? No. Two and a half years ago I contacted Jim Roland about maybe buying a set. Hadn't been a set available for a little while and he wasn't sure there would be any more. Fast forward to now. Yes, there are sets out there from the first run, but not all that many. Nothing like what Edelbrock sold initially.

It took Edelbrock a few years to gain traction in the new Pontiac head with their HUGE name behind it and basically ZERO other comparably priced competition.

Realistically subtract 3 years from the 7 that John is quoting. During that say...4 years...of actual production a small number of those CV-1's sold ended up on running engines in cars. Like anything else some others were part of longer term projects, etc.

And we all know Jim Roland does NOT have the Edelbrock name behind him. I've met Pontiac guys who are never on this forum...some have never heard of this forum. This is the main contact Jim had with the Pontiac world for the most part.

Unlike the E-head, the CV-1 head was scrutinized from the start right here. I saw it. The E-head was welcomed. You say the E-head had no problems? It came with crappy springs, flowed a measly 265 cfm and yes, it did have an oil drain back issue in some applications. I know someone who experienced it.

The bolt bosses in the heads were also not changed by Edelbrock because they were sitting at lunch one day and said, "Hey...lets change something on those Pontiac heads for the heck of it. Throw those Pontiac guys a curveball. Hehe."

The E-head evolved because a bunch of people bought them and threw a LOT of money at them. Spent a hell of a lot of time trying new things on the race track. They got welded on and played with every which way.

The CV-1 has not had that much time on the race track. Give it some time....I mean REALLY give it some time. Without the BS. Maybe it'll prove itself, maybe it won't.

As for me having something against E-heads? Oh heck no. I own a set I like.

P.S. - Bill was right on the mark explaining how I meant there were many heads that could make 3000 hp. Truth is Marty P. made 1600 hp or so with a set of iron heads what...20 yrs ago? Everything has improved since then, from turbos to blocks to.....

[LiL Jack]

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Originally Posted by TimeWarp

What was all that about making assumptions and talking about it all after its done? If people had done that here from the start things might in fact be different. Instead, some folks seemed to get a kick out of posting negative things about CV-1's almost from the start.

That's why I suggested a few posts back that all the folks who have bashed this head over the years should instead stand back and let it be. Then if the head fails they can say it was on its own and for its own lack of merits.

But you know...those who have contributed to the problem can't even be honest with themselves, let alone anyone else. And they post comments indicating they were only asking questions........only pointing out facts........

No, they didn't have anything to do with the negativity here. But they're lying. To themselves and everyone else who has seen it. And trust me, there are many who have watched here and thought exactly what I am saying but never posted.

An example. John Marcella. Knowledgeable guy, offers a lot. Has this head in fact been around for 7 years with no appreciable results? No. Two and a half years ago I contacted Jim Roland about maybe buying a set. Hadn't been a set available for a little while and he wasn't sure there would be any more. Fast forward to now. Yes, there are sets out there from the first run, but not all that many. Nothing like what Edelbrock sold initially.

It took Edelbrock a few years to gain traction in the new Pontiac head with their HUGE name behind it and basically ZERO other comparably priced competition.

Realistically subtract 3 years from the 7 that John is quoting. During that say...4 years...of actual production a small number of those CV-1's sold ended up on running engines in cars. Like anything else some others were part of longer term projects, etc.

And we all know Jim Roland does NOT have the Edelbrock name behind him. I've met Pontiac guys who are never on this forum...some have never heard of this forum. This is the main contact Jim had with the Pontiac world for the most part.

Unlike the E-head, the CV-1 head was scrutinized from the start right here. I saw it. The E-head was welcomed. You say the E-head had no problems? It came with crappy springs, flowed a measly 265 cfm and yes, it did have an oil drain back issue in some applications. I know someone who experienced it.

The bolt bosses in the heads were also not changed by Edelbrock because they were sitting at lunch one day and said, "Hey...lets change something on those Pontiac heads for the heck of it. Throw those Pontiac guys a curveball. Hehe."

The E-head evolved because a bunch of people bought them and threw a LOT of money at them. Spent a hell of a lot of time trying new things on the race track. They got welded on and played with every which way.

The CV-1 has not had that much time on the race track. Give it some time....I mean REALLY give it some time. Without the BS. Maybe it'll prove itself, maybe it won't.

As for me having something against E-heads? Oh heck no. I own a set I like.

P.S. - Bill was right on the mark explaining how I meant there were many heads that could make 3000 hp. Truth is Marty P. made 1600 hp or so with a set of iron heads what...20 yrs ago? Everything has improved since then, from turbos to blocks to.....

Where do you come up with CV1s have only been out for 4 years?

Ken Keefer was racing them back in 2008 and Brian Hedrick had them around 2009!

So over 7 years is about right.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

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Where do you come up with CV1s have only been out for 4 years?

Ken Keefer was racing them back in 2008 and Brian Hedrick had them around 2009!

So over 7 years is about right.

It sounds better if you distort the facts.... it's like the golfer who doesn't want to count his ridiculously bad strokes.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

What other Pontiac heads have made 3000 horsepower?

To my knowledge NO Pontiac head has made 3,000 HP!
E-heads just like the Tigers and HP's are old school, that's not to say they can't make HP they are just old school. For US (Pontiac Racers) to make that next jump we need more ......AKA....RA5, CV, Warp 6 or whatever else that I missed, it's that simple!



GTO George

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

To my knowledge NO Pontiac head has made 3,000 HP!
E-heads just like the Tigers and HP's are old school, that's not to say they can't make HP they are just old school. For US (Pontiac Racers) to make that next jump we need more ......AKA....RA5, CV, Warp 6 or whatever else that I missed, it's that simple!



GTO George

They are members here, maybe they will chime in.... there is porbably a lot you don't now George.

How 'bout them Lions?