[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Been waiting for this. Marcella need to get his hands on a set. High Ports started out @ 330cfm. Took them to just shy of 460fm. E heads start @ 280cfm, took them to 414 cfm. These start out @ 400 cfm, you do the math.
All the most impressive numbers come from same guy. Ain't bragging if its true.

But for all the rap KRE takes, this just proves they have brought to the marketplace more real Pontiac performance parts than anyone. And that was true before the Super Wedge.
Sure do have some long valves and some real long pushrods though.

450+cfm from a HP head is nothing new.
It would be cool to see what Marcella could with these Super Wedge heads.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

450+cfm from a HP head is nothing new.
It would be cool to see what Marcella could with these Super Wedge heads.

True, but "cfms" are not cfms. Some peoples are better than others. Mikes E heads went 414 and made 1218 HP. I tried but could not get them. So I went for 404cfm heads by Gabby. Great heads, he was the first to get 1000HP NA with E heads, knows what he is doing. They made right at 1000 HP, depending on dyno. Sure, it was with NO2 cam and a heavily ported Victor vs a heavily ported BOP. AND 18-1 CR but two HUNDRED HP is a lot of HP.
I truly believe he has a gift. Can look at a port, runner and know where material needs to be removed to fill the cylinder.
If you look at just cfms those 450 cfm HPs should have made 1300HP NA, But its not about that . I just think its nuts that a "little" E head with factory steel guides made that kind of power NA.
BTW, High Port started off as a billet too.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

True, but "cfms" are not cfms. Some peoples are better than others. Mikes E heads went 414 and made 1218 HP. I tried but could not get them. So I went for 404cfm heads by Gabby. Great heads, he was the first to get 1000HP NA with E heads, knows what he is doing. They made right at 1000 HP, depending on dyno. Sure, it was with NO2 cam and a heavily ported Victor vs a heavily ported BOP. AND 18-1 CR but two HUNDRED HP is a lot of HP.
I truly believe he has a gift. Can look at a port, runner and know where material needs to be removed to fill the cylinder.
If you look at just cfms those 450 cfm HPs should have made 1300HP NA, But its not about that . I just think its nuts that a "little" E head with factory steel guides made that kind of power NA.
BTW, High Port started off as a billet too.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[KO]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

True, but "cfms" are not cfms. Some peoples are better than others. Mikes E heads went 414 and made 1218 HP. I tried but could not get them. So I went for 404cfm heads by Gabby. Great heads, he was the first to get 1000HP NA with E heads, knows what he is doing. They made right at 1000 HP, depending on dyno. Sure, it was with NO2 cam and a heavily ported Victor vs a heavily ported BOP. AND 18-1 CR but two HUNDRED HP is a lot of HP.
I truly believe he has a gift. Can look at a port, runner and know where material needs to be removed to fill the cylinder.
If you look at just cfms those 450 cfm HPs should have made 1300HP NA, But its not about that . I just think its nuts that a "little" E head with factory steel guides made that kind of power NA.
BTW, High Port started off as a billet too.

not the first to make 1000HP NA w E heads: 900+ RWHP in 2007 John Bailey/Neal Owens/Slawko heads

[John Langer]

450cfm will NOT give you 1300hp n/a on top of a 565" Pontiac. Not even close.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by John Langer

450cfm will NOT give you 1300hp n/a on top of a 565" Pontiac. Not even close.

I was trying to say cfm is not everything. Look, SOME of you it seems want to disclaim or knock what Mike, John and Scott did. But the numbers ring true. ET,weight, MPH right at, around 1200 HP. His heads still had the Edelbrock steel guides in them. And the 414 number comes from me. I asked him when I committed to buying them. But he did say they were not even flowed the last 2 times they were worked on by John. Could have been more,were never flowed. I think some are still butthurt the times were run with them.
Some people have more money, but not more drive and just big freaking balls to just do whatever it takes to go fast. Some cracked him when he had problems trying to do what he did . Break a piston, a 1400$ piston, buy 2500$ billet pistons. Oiling problem,go dry sump. He had something in him, driven. He did do it then died. When we talked he had the "last act of defiance"in him. I felt better every time I talked to the man.He was going HPs. Johns first set went459. Call it 460 cfm. Very last conversation I had with him he said he thought John could get 480 out of them. The 459 was with stock valve location. Mike said he was going to have the valve put where it needed to be to make the most power. going to put in effort like no other. One of the last things he said was he thought JM could get 480.
10 sec has the heads and Mikes old intake. His effort will tell a lot. But this is real street, no prep , one burnout, middle of the night cray $H!T.

Not for a second do I believe "this" "cfm"means this much HP.
Some people get rubbed wrong way when someone else goes fast.
Mikes weight, ET and MPH back it up. No dyno there.
BTW, Langer, Rex, Leech and others not mentioned are heroes of mine. Pontiacs rule.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

His heads still had the Edelbrock steel guides in them.

This is the second time you've mentioned this about the guides, why is this so significant?

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

His heads still had the Edelbrock steel guides in them.

FWIW Edelbrock never used steel guides.