[MarkS57]

Originally Posted by Old Man Taylor

My daughter says that she will give mine a new home.

Pretty sure my son (24) will take the Tempest, he was a big help doing the engine swap and is interested. I don't know about the Fiero, a shame cause its a really nice lo mile car.

[Greg Reid]

Originally Posted by MarkS57

I don't know about the Fiero, a shame cause its a really nice lo mile car.

That would be a good one to hold on to as far as future investments I think. Hagerty's latest newsletter had an article and photo-shoot on three small mid-engine models that are up and coming with low buy-ins. The Fiero was one of them. Another was the Toyota MR2 and the last was a Fiat of some type.

[Scott Stoneburg]

Just turned 47. I've been working on and racing Pontiac sine I was 15. First car was 1969 Grand Prix SJ. With a 428

[berniearlta]

I'll be 37 in may.

[ho428]

Originally Posted by Greg Reid

That would be a good one to hold on to as far as future investments I think. Hagerty's latest newsletter had an article and photo-shoot on three small mid-engine models that are up and coming with low buy-ins. The Fiero was one of them. Another was the Toyota MR2 and the last was a Fiat of some type.

We had a 1988 Fiero Formula, bought it new, ran it up over 100K miles over 12 years. Probably should have kept it but...
Of all the Pontiacs I've owned this Solstice Coupe is the newest, and will probably be the last post muscle era one I'll own, and I'm thinking of even selling it soon.

[Greg Reid]

Originally Posted by ho428

...this Solstice Coupe is the newest, and will probably be the last post muscle era one I'll own, and I'm thinking of even selling it soon.

I'm betting those are only going to go up in value over the next decade or so too. Next to muscle cars, I've always like roadsters of many different makes.

[1oldgoat]

I'm 54 and very lucky that my Dad worked for Pontiac Motor Division as a district sales manager when I was a kid. I grew up riding in GTO's, Grand Prix's, Firebirds and the occasional Lemans or Bonneville. I bought my first GTO at 19 years old in 1982. I traded a 77 Vega and $500 for a 1970 GTO with a spoiler and judge emblem on the glove box. I loved that car and wanted to find out more about it so my Dad gave me a name and number to call in Michigan. He said they could look up the invoice for me. It turned out to be 1970 Ram Air IV automatic Orbit orange with black interior. The drive train was long gone and replaced with a 72 GP 400. The Ram Air stuff was all gone except the pull cable bracket and open scoops. I sold it to help pay for an all original Ram Air III 69 Judge.

[MD79TA]

I would say this shows close to 80% of owners are in thier forties.and older. For us that just drive them for the love and great memories that's fine and you have what you want.I would also add that for people holding on to cars or parts hoping for big upside it not going to happen. Money will always be there for the special ones but IMO big price drops down the road How long is the question. Doug

[HaloMedic]

57 till Sept

[scott70]

Originally Posted by MD79TA

I would say this shows close to 80% of owners are in thier forties.and older. For us that just drive them for the love and great memories that's fine and you have what you want.I would also add that for people holding on to cars or parts hoping for big upside it not going to happen. Money will always be there for the special ones but IMO big price drops down the road How long is the question. Doug

I still have mine because I like it,,,dont care if the value goes up or down. Most of us have our pontiacs as play/secondary cars.We can afford to have it sit in the garage and use it when we want to. Most young people use their cars as daily drivers as its the only car they have,,so they modify them and drive them every day. Kinda like we did with our GTO's and firebirds. Mine will probably get passed on to one of my kids if they want it.

[MD79TA]

Originally Posted by MD79TA

I would say this shows close to 80% of owners are in thier forties.and older. For us that just drive them for the love and great memories that's fine and you have what you want.I would also add that for people holding on to cars or parts hoping for big upside it not going to happen. Money will always be there for the special ones but IMO big price drops down the road How long is the question. Doug

got to update its now 90 percent or more are forty years old or more . I knew the average would be high but this is really a run away. Doug

[unruhjonny]

Originally Posted by ho428

We had a 1988 Fiero Formula, bought it new, ran it up over 100K miles over 12 years. Probably should have kept it but...
Of all the Pontiacs I've owned this Solstice Coupe is the newest, and will probably be the last post muscle era one I'll own, and I'm thinking of even selling it soon.

I have seen people touting the Solstice is an up & coming collector car, but I am going to be a big doubter here - let's look at the facts;

1) Pontiac was SOLD OUT for the first model year - there was a waiting list for them ~ then what does GM do when they have a good thing, they diluted the waters, by releasing a Saturn version of it that looked much more aggressive;
By the end of second model year Soltice's were old news.

2) Sales seemed to be lackluster after the Saturn was relaesed to the point, that I suspect few people who didn't already know about them knew anything about them.

3) the fantasic coupe...
As much as I love those, I'm pretty sure there weren't too many people looking to buy who couldn't... if you get my drift.

On the otherhand, the Feiro got lots of press - a great number of people remeber them, and they were even in period movies...

[MarkS57]

Originally Posted by unruhjonny

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On the otherhand, the Feiro got lots of press - a great number of people remeber them, and they were even in period movies...

They do and sometime not for the right reasons. Engine fires. Very much overblown. I owned one of the first V6 GT's off the line in early 85. My first new car. It had some issues but man it did turn heads and it was ball to drive (4 spd). I prefer to remember them as another Pontiac Pirate Ship victory, raise the Jolly Roger- damn the torpedoes! full speed ahead! Ha! In your eye 'chebby! Just sayin'...

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by MarkS57

They do and sometime not for the right reasons. Engine fires. Very much overblown. I owned one of the first V6 GT's off the line in early 85. My first new car. It had some issues but man it did turn heads and it was ball to drive (4 spd). I prefer to remember them as another Pontiac Pirate Ship victory, raise the Jolly Roger- damn the torpedoes! full speed ahead! Ha! In your eye 'chebby! Just sayin'...

The 4 cylinders were the ones that had engine fires, not the V6s.

Engine fire reputation

Of the total production of the Pontiac Fiero of 370,168,[1] 135 (.036%) of them were reported to have had engine fires, 122 of these occurred while driving, according to the NHTSA.

The engine fires almost exclusively pertained to the 1984 model year. Later model years were produced with upgraded equipment, and frequency of engine fire was significantly reduced.[citation needed]

According to AutoWeeks publication of Fiero firing squad, on October 6, 1983 a Pontiac engineer wrote an urgent memo to report that two Fieros had suddenly caught fire during test drives. This was only 3 months after the production of the Fiero began at the Pontiac plant. It was thought to be caused by antifreeze leaking out of badly installed hoses but in reality it was defective connecting rods. After one meeting with the Saginaw foundry manager, he wrote that “…60 percent to 90 percent of the rods produced do not exhibit defects.” This means at least every 1 out of 10 rods produced were defective and possibly 4 out of 10 were also defective. The Associated Press quoted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration as saying it had "...received 148 complaints regarding Pontiac Fieros catching fire including reports of six injuries.... Low levels of engine oil may cause a connecting rod to break, allowing oil to escape and come into contact with engine parts. The oil would catch fire when it contacted the exhaust manifold or hot exhaust components.... David Hudgens, a GM spokesman in Detroit... said, 'If you ran out of oil, and then that coupled with some aggressive driving, perhaps, and maybe not changing the oil very often, you end up with a broken rod, and that's where the connecting rod came in; it is still the owner's responsibility to check the oil.' "[17]

The Pontiac division claimed in a 1988 press release that "GM tests have shown that running these 1984 cars with low engine oil level can cause connecting rod failure which may lead to an engine compartment fire.... Pontiac is aware of 260 fires attributable to the condition, along with ten reported minor injuries."[18]

The larger of the two reported numbers of cars with fires (260) amounts to 0.07% of Fiero models produced. The fires affected the 2.5 L engine almost exclusively, and mostly 1984 models (although there may have been additional occurrences after the above reports were published).

There are several possible contributors to Fiero engines catching fire. The primary cause is thought to be a batch of poorly cast connecting rods, produced in GM's Saginaw plant, which failed when the oil level became too low. One theory is that the sports car styling attracted buyers who would drive the car hard, most notably by excessively revving the engine. Another factor was the incorrectly listed three-quart oil capacity; the actual oil capacity is 4.5 quarts, but a misprint on the dipstick and in the owner's manual resulted in owners using only three quarts, any leakage or consumption would allow the oil level to decline over time to a dangerously low level. If the proper oil level was not maintained, the bearings could seize, snapping the porous castings of the connecting rods. This could result in a hole being punched in the engine block, allowing oil to spray onto hot exhaust components where it could ignite.

Alternatively, some fires may have been because of the engine wiring harness bulkhead connector (C500) being located in the center of the engine bay above the exhaust manifold, where heat could possibly melt and ignite the wiring. The 1984 model had a magnesium grille over this area. In later models, the main engine harness connector (C500) was moved to the battery area, and was improved to some degree with better heat shielding wrapped around the wiring harness.

A third cause might be cracks in the engine block from overtightening the head bolts. Some engines developed cracks in the block that would leak coolant and/or oil, sometimes accompanied by broken head bolts directly above the crack. The leak would spray coolant or oil, the latter resulting in fire if sprayed onto the hot catalytic converter or exhaust manifold at the front of the engine compartment.

Most vehicles existing today have been serviced by GM during one of the safety recalls on the car.[citation needed] For the fire-related recall, shields and drip-trays were added to prevent leaking fluids from contacting hot surfaces. The presence of drip shields between the engine block and the exhaust manifold are a clue that the car has been retrofitted. The addition of the longer AC Delco PF51 oil filter and a re-calibrated dipstick added extra oil capacity to the oiling system, and enabled running four quarts of oil in the crankcase instead of three, to help prevent oil starvation to the rods. Certain vehicles also had their connecting rods or entire block replaced.

Any fires that happen today would most likely not be caused by the aforementioned causes, but instead due to faulty repairs and failure of engine components, wiring, etc. due to age.[citation needed]

I owned an 86 SE 4 cylinder automatic 4 cyl. (daughters first car), tons of people asking WTF I would buy her an unsafe car like a Fiero. Maybe because the Fiero was actually quite a safe car with the passenger compartment surrounded by a full cage structure, if they bothered to look at the design of the car, instead of listening to idiots that don't have a clue. My own 88 was a 4 cyl. 5 speed. Put tons of miles on both of them. The timing gears went out of my 88 at about 130,000, fixed it and kept driving it until I sold it at around 155,000.

[goatwgn]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

The 4 cylinders were the ones that had engine fires, not the V6s.



I owned an 86 SE 4 cylinder automatic 4 cyl. (daughters first car), tons of people asking WTF I would buy her an unsafe car like a Fiero. Maybe because the Fiero was actually quite a safe car with the passenger compartment surrounded by a full cage structure, if they bothered to look at the design of the car, instead of listening to idiots that don't have a clue. My own 88 was a 4 cyl. 5 speed. Put tons of miles on both of them. The timing gears went out of my 88 at about 130,000, fixed it and kept driving it until I sold it at around 155,000.

They were good little cars. Especially considering that GM corporate practically tied Pontiac Divisions' hands behind their back when designing it. There is a lot of misinformation out there over the years such as what you have mentioned regarding a lot of different things. Reminds me of the Corvair nonsense.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

Maybe because the Fiero was actually quite a safe car with the passenger compartment surrounded by a full cage structure,

My dad designed the frame for what would have been the 2nd generation Fiero (the "P2") while he was in Advanced Manufacturing Engineering for CPC.

It was an aluminum spaceframe construction adhesively bonded together.

It was the first frame within General Motors to pass the durability test on the first try (it broke the shaker).

K