[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by 3fastgtos

George, what is "non RA5" about the H&M head? Is it not inline and EIEIIEIE?
SD

Well it's just my opinion but a RA5 head has the pushrods going threw the port.


GTO George

[3fastgtos]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Well it's just my opinion but a RA5 head has the pushrods going threw the port.


GTO George

So because of that they're non 5's? Got it, and what makes a Warp 6 Pontiac? Other than it bolts to one.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by 3fastgtos

So because of that they're non 5's? Got it, and what makes a Warp 6 Pontiac? Other than it bolts to one.

Well thats it.........It bolts to a Pontiac block and its made for a Pontiac engine by Pontiac guys, its not my cup of tea, I do prefer the RA5 head, I'm not a CV type of guy. The H & M head when it comes out will be a kick ass head, i don't have a problem with it....its just not a RA5 head, call it something else....maybe H & M Billet


GTO George

[3fastgtos]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Well it's just my opinion but a RA5 head has the pushrods going threw the port.


GTO George

Well let me put this another way. I have a set of 614's that have a pushrod tube protruding into the runner. Ra4's didn't come with a pushrod tube in the runner. So are these not 4's anymore? Yea they are, and the H&M heads are 5's because the valve layout is the same.

SD

[3fastgtos]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Well thats it.........It bolts to a Pontiac block and its made for a Pontiac engine by Pontiac guys, its not my cup of tea, I do prefer the RA5 head, I'm not a CV type of guy. The H & M head when it comes out will be a kick ass head, i don't have a problem with it....its just not a RA5 head, call it something else....maybe H & M Billet


GTO George

I guess if I get a set of Brad 8 Hemi heads to fit on a Pontiac block then they'll become Pontiac heads too.

And at the end of the day it really doesn't matter what you think they should be called. Dave calls them 5's so they are. They're his heads after all.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by 3fastgtos

So because of that they're non 5's? Got it, and what makes a Warp 6 Pontiac? Other than it bolts to one.

Because KRE manufacturers them and George has a man crush on one of the boys over there.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by 3fastgtos

I guess if I get a set of Brad 8 Hemi heads to fit on a Pontiac block then they'll become Pontiac heads too.

And at the end of the day it really doesn't matter what you think they should be called. Dave calls them 5's so they are. They're his heads after all.

It only matters to me what I think.


GTO George

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Well thats it.........It bolts to a Pontiac block and its made for a Pontiac engine by Pontiac guys, its not my cup of tea, I do prefer the RA5 head, I'm not a CV type of guy. The H & M head when it comes out will be a kick ass head, i don't have a problem with it....its just not a RA5 head, call it something else....maybe H & M Billet


GTO George

GTO George,
So we now know the real reason the you do not like "E" heads. Because Edelbrock hates Pontiacs. So do you check even part you buy to make sure that it was made by "Pontiac Guys"?

Stan

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

It is perfectly clear what the source of your misinformation is. No open mindedness or free thinking there. I am the member of no circle. All I have even done is try to correct the misinformation and down right lies that were posted up. That got me banned from the same forum twice.

This past Saturday I was down at Capital Raceway actually talking with the ECM face to face. Great way to know the real person.

See there you go, you can show some free choice. John has a very nice web site and excellent selection of calculators.

Stan

Stanley,Stanley, I stopped going to PZ for a period of years. My conclusions about your circles stuff came from myself. I stopped by PZ to express my sadness about Mikes passing and Gach offered me his stuff for the same deal Mike was going to give me. That was just at the begging of the year. I had a long extended time away from PZ before that.
And you ARE a card carrying member of the circle. All CV guys are not a member of the circle. The only question on your part is if you are a t&% &!$%er or not.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

GTO George,
So we now know the real reason the you do not like "E" heads. Because Edelbrock hates Pontiacs. So do you check even part you buy to make sure that it was made by "Pontiac Guys"?

Stan

Oh Hell Stan I don't hate E-Heads damn it I owned a set, they are what they are and nothing more. I just think edelbrock could have done more for US Pontiac racers. If it wasn't for the first set of Aluminum D-Port heads that came out Edelbrock would have never come out with theirs, same goes with Larry Wensler heads. How long do you think it would have taken Edelbrock to come out with their aluminum head for a Pontiac if it wasn't for Larry? Thats how much they Edelbrock care about us Pontiac Racers!


GTO George

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragncar View Post
DF cars weight of 3020lbs race weight came in a PM on "this site", from Mr. Fulton in 2011
dicks car is 3150 now. has to weigh that (w/ muffs) to compete in fastest street car shootout @ brainerd track in mn... which he WON in '16 first full season w/ cv-1's against fords and chevies

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragncar View Post
Still, never has answered my question of his best CV time. Was it 7.65 ?
dicks pass early sunday morning against roger ibbotson @ norwalk '16 was a 7.62- shutting off at the 1000 and coasting due to hurt cyl. it happened about 10am- i was there


So Mr. Fulton went almost .10 quicker at 120 more weight (thats what I been saying) thats equals to like .10, so do some maths that almost .20 quicker and at that ET that adds up to a lot more HP! I also was there when he ran that 7.62............I just forgot.
So thats another "Heads Up" Racer making the SWITCH to go quicker!
As for the H & M non RA5 head............its just another head that e-headed racers will make the SWITCH too.........if they can afford it! LOL!


GTO George

OK, its two tenths by your estimation. I can buy that. Two tenths faster than a 370 head. I believe there was all that in the 40cfm more E head. Especially if you consider the cubic inch increase that seems to have happened.
So, he put on the canted valve heads that had to have went at least 430cfm, could have been 450cfm and increased the size and stroke of the engine and went 2 tenths faster. Alrighty then.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Especially if you consider the cubic inch increase that seems to have happened.

Where was this stated? I wasn't aware the ci increased when the cv-1s went on

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Where was this stated? I wasn't aware the ci increased when the cv-1s went on

He's probably talking with Gach again! LOL!


GTO George

[Dragncar]

If it was not for the Edelbrock Pontiac head we would not have the IA1,IA2, MR1,Tiger,High Port,Warp,aluminum RAVs and even the H&M RAV head I like so much.
Give the poor old head its due. It knocked down the door and let the wave of aftermarket Pontiac products come to be.
Good for stock builds all the way to 1000+ NA and 2000+ blown builds.
I just sold my High Ports to pay for a good chunk of the IA2A to be ordered soon.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Where was this stated? I wasn't aware the ci increased when the cv-1s went on

I dont know that it did happen. Just remember when he was under 500ci. Seems to me if you are 4" stroke engine and going to a much larger cfm head increasing the stroke would be in order.
Its just speculation though.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

If it was not for the Edelbrock Pontiac head we would not have the IA1,IA2, MR1,Tiger,High Port,Warp,aluminum RAVs and even the H&M RAV head I like so much.
Give the poor old head its due. It knocked down the door and let the wave of aftermarket Pontiac products come to be.
Good for stock builds all the way to 1000+ NA and 2000+ blown builds.
I just sold my High Ports to pay for a good chunk of the IA2A to be ordered soon.

1/2 truths just like Gach.....what was the first Aluminum head that came out for a Pontiac..........Wensler.....what was the first D-Port....KRE, they DONT CARE! Edelbrock doesn't deserve NOTHING. Like I said before How long do you think It would have taken edelbrock to come out with their e-head if it wasn't for Larry?


GTO George

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Stanley,Stanley, I stopped going to PZ for a period of years. My conclusions about your circles stuff came from myself. I stopped by PZ to express my sadness about Mikes passing and Gach offered me his stuff for the same deal Mike was going to give me. That was just at the begging of the year. I had a long extended time away from PZ before that.
And you ARE a card carrying member of the circle. All CV guys are not a member of the circle. The only question on your part is if you are a t&% &!$%er or not.

So the two of you came to the same wrong conclusion independently of each other, but almost word for word the same. I will give you that you spell better.

Stan

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Oh Hell Stan I don't hate E-Heads damn it I owned a set, they are what they are and nothing more. I just think edelbrock could have done more for US Pontiac racers. If it wasn't for the first set of Aluminum D-Port heads that came out Edelbrock would have never come out with theirs, same goes with Larry Wensler heads. How long do you think it would have taken Edelbrock to come out with their aluminum head for a Pontiac if it wasn't for Larry? Thats how much they Edelbrock care about us Pontiac Racers!


GTO George

George, Edelbrock doesn't get credit for any of the other parts offered for our Pontiac's? I just ordered some black krinkle nostalgic looking valve covers for a customer, I wasn't even aware they existed... so they must of come out fairly recent. Their mechanical full pump kicks butt and it's the best pump per dollar spent on the market. They offer a complete line of manifolds and valve covers. They changed the machining process on their heads so the valley pans fit and seal better. It doesn't require trimming the pan or grinding the manifold to make them fit (let's see how soon the other manufacturers make that change). They even offer a quality aluminum water pump for our cars along with several dress up items... not to mention the most powerful dyno'd Pontiac head on the planet!

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

1/2 truths just like Gach.....what was the first Aluminum head that came out for a Pontiac..........Wensler.....what was the first D-Port....KRE, they DONT CARE! Edelbrock doesn't deserve NOTHING. Like I said before How long do you think It would have taken edelbrock to come out with their e-head if it wasn't for Larry?


GTO George

I know you are slow, in more ways than one George, but is do know the who made what part first. I know about the Wenzlers, have gave him credit in past posts. Proof is there.
It was Edelbrock who put their mass market, Summit and Jegs mass market name on it.
Wenzler heads had a lot to be desired quality wise. The KRE guys used to sell his stuff. But then made their own copy of the Super Chief. They are on your car.

[wreckmastr]

Damn give it a rest guys it's been the same old chit here for years "Head Wars" Just be happy there so many choices available to you and that a LOT of other people have foot the bill for the R&D. Pick that one works for you and live with it. When you have out grown them sell them for $.50 on the dollar like most do and move up. There are SO many other things that it takes to make combination work.

Maybe spend less time on the keyboard and more time on the car BTW you can't win a argument with someone who "thinks" the know it all or an idiot.

We don't race flow sheet's, Dyno's or Calculators.