[charlie66]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

I built my 455 for 5500$ back in the 80s. Went to roller cam so I spent another 1000$ or so.
What makes you think just by paying more than you should that doing it for less, or "on the cheap" as you put it, that your engine will not be reliable and run well for a long time.
You can make 470HP with a 400, SRP Fts, decent steel rods, HFT and a unported iron intake and Q Jet. That is the the SD CNC ported D ports.
Solid roller, some 6.8 H beams and good FTs, Tomahawk nice DP carb and he is 530+ HP with a iron headed 400 on pump gas.
4" stroke engine, his best bet and 600HP is no big deal.
One of the most important, and free things to do in a engine like this is make sure your main bearings have the oil slot, or hole drilled in the right place and do the P Dude trick with the thrust bearing. That is free modification anyone can do with a vise, drill and files.
No need to overpay for things in a engine that is done by 6000RPMs.

Its not the 80"s anymore.... So what it going to cost him ??

[Richie Hoffman]

I went 1030 at3000 lbs 68 bird in early 90s 455 trwpistons 73 SD rods unported RAIV heads 260 [email protected] custom hyd flat tappet Torker 1
1050 carb same combo ported heads went9.99@132 ported dports would get et he wants Jamie Horton has dports with solid flat tappet cam weighs 3400 or 3500 in his tempest
Goes low 10s

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by charlie66

Its not the 80"s anymore.... So what it going to cost him ??

Right now on PY for sale, ported 12s with Ferra valves 500$, 4.155 Ross stroker pistons with pins locks new 400$, Roller cam 150$ lifters 225$, a 400 with E heads sold for 3750$ and a 461 with KRE D ports sold for 4000$ complete.
You can find deals. Some people think Pontiac blocks and heads are scrap metal. My brother was given a 71 GTO engine, I bought a 455 with 6X8s. new RPM, Lunati .540lift cam and lifters, roller chain for 350$ and a 67 400 that had a P4B, 48s with hardened seats, bronze guides, good valves, TRW FTs for 50$.
Patience and a little luck.
Me, I pay for port work, machine work and parts. Everything else I do myself.

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Right now on PY for sale, ported 12s with Ferra valves 500$, 4.155 Ross stroker pistons with pins locks new 400$, Roller cam 150$ lifters 225$, a 400 with E heads sold for 3750$ and a 461 with KRE D ports sold for 4000$ complete.
You can find deals. Some people think Pontiac blocks and heads are scrap metal. My brother was given a 71 GTO engine, I bought a 455 with 6X8s. new RPM, Lunati .540lift cam and lifters, roller chain for 350$ and a 67 400 that had a P4B, 48s with hardened seats, bronze guides, good valves, TRW FTs for 50$.
Patience and a little luck.
Me, I pay for port work, machine work and parts. Everything else I do myself.

Well if one gets lucky and finds parts at other peoples unfortunate expense , then it would be cheaper. But having to buy everything new is a whole different situation...

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by charlie66

Well if one gets lucky and finds parts at other peoples unfortunate expense , then it would be cheaper. But having to buy everything new is a whole different situation...

What makes you think there is anything "unfortunate" about buying some second hand parts. Some people are holding onto piles of parts, like me.
Waiting to fund a project. Some people buy a bunch/lot of parts with the intent of selling what they dont need. Some sell their stash when they are past their racing years. Its going to happen with most of us. Plenty of kids dont want piles of Pontiac parts.
My wife has said she has no idea what my parts are worth if something happened to me. I think labeling them would be a mistake though. Then she would know how much money I have sitting out there. Some things are better left alone.
He only wants to run 10.90s in a 2800lb car. Just about any Pontiac engine can be made to get that done.

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

What makes you think there is anything "unfortunate" about buying some second hand parts. Some people are holding onto piles of parts, like me.
Waiting to fund a project. Some people buy a bunch/lot of parts with the intent of selling what they dont need. Some sell their stash when they are past their racing years. Its going to happen with most of us. Plenty of kids dont want piles of Pontiac parts.
My wife has said she has no idea what my parts are worth if something happened to me. I think labeling them would be a mistake though. Then she would know how much money I have sitting out there. Some things are better left alone.
He only wants to run 10.90s in a 2800lb car. Just about any Pontiac engine can be made to get that done.

Its unfortunate because when someone buys something new, whether they use it or not most people wont give them half of what they paid for it... So if you want to spend years going around and searching the internet looking for old or new parts then go do it. But for the people that just want to go out and buy a motor built buy Butler or Kauffman its going to cost in the ballpark of what I said..

https://butlerperformance.com/c-1267...-complete.html

Here's one example of what I mean..

Not every body wants used parts for a engine there going beat on at the track..

There is nothing inaccurate about my assessment ..

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by charlie66

Its unfortunate because when someone buys something new, whether they use it or not most people wont give them half of what they paid for it... So if you want to spend years going around and searching the internet looking for old or new parts then go do it. But for the people that just want to go out and buy a motor built buy Butler or Kauffman its going to cost in the ballpark of what I said..

https://butlerperformance.com/c-1267...-complete.html

Here's one example of what I mean..

Not every body wants used parts for a engine there going beat on at the track..

There is nothing inaccurate about my assessment ..

I would never advise someone who only wants to go 10.50 now only 10.90 in a 2800lb car to spend 12K at one of the big "Pontiac" shops. Sorry just not me.
To me, that is just plain dumb. Intakes do not wear out, carbs, only the throttle shaft/base, cams just dont really wear, roller lifters do ,heads, everything that wears is replaceable. Pistons can last a long time. Rods, buy new or low use. Cranks, same. But Pontiac cranks breaking in under 600HP builds does not happen a whole lot.
People who just call up a Pontiac shop either have more money than most, or less common sense. And there rare reasons the best of the best dont.
If I would have finished that 900HP pump gas build I would have had, maybe 15K in it.
Give me 12,500$ and I could build a serious engine. Better than you could just buy it form a shop. So that is the kind of advise I give. But you need to be pretty handy to do it.

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

I would never advise someone who only wants to go 10.50 now only 10.90 in a 2800lb car to spend 12K at one of the big "Pontiac" shops. Sorry just not me.
To me, that is just plain dumb. Intakes do not wear out, carbs, only the throttle shaft/base, cams just dont really wear, roller lifters do ,heads, everything that wears is replaceable. Pistons can last a long time. Rods, buy new or low use. Cranks, same. But Pontiac cranks breaking in under 600HP builds does not happen a whole lot.
People who just call up a Pontiac shop either have more money than most, or less common sense. And there rare reasons the best of the best dont.
If I would have finished that 900HP pump gas build I would have had, maybe 15K in it.
Give me 12,500$ and I could build a serious engine. Better than you could just buy it form a shop. So that is the kind of advise I give. But you need to be pretty handy to do it.

Well, I never gave advice for anything .

I just gave my opinion of what a motor would cost to build with more then stock hp and parts. So basically you're calling me dumb here. You don't know me to know this . The OP never stipulated how he wanted to build it .Just asked what it would cost. So rather then fire off at me how wrong I am , you could of just said you have a cheaper way then doing it with all new parts.. I gave my opinion and you gave yours.. So why you are still trying to prove me wrong on this when im not, is beyond me.. Building a motor is more then just buying parts . Most people don't even build there own engines, there's cash that's spent on that to add to the list.. Just the machine work alone can range from 1000-2000. Port work , new valves / springs , valve job add that too . And a roller cam cost more the 150 its more like 350-400 plus lifters are 400-500 bucks . So if someone wants to go and buy used parts , yes its cheaper. But please don't just say im wrong because im not . And I know for a fact what gach had in his motor and it was a lot more the 15000.00. So Idk what you're talking about there....

[ta man]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

What makes you think there is anything "unfortunate" about buying some second hand parts. Some people are holding onto piles of parts, like me.
Waiting to fund a project. Some people buy a bunch/lot of parts with the intent of selling what they dont need. Some sell their stash when they are past their racing years. Its going to happen with most of us. Plenty of kids dont want piles of Pontiac parts.
My wife has said she has no idea what my parts are worth if something happened to me. I think labeling them would be a mistake though. Then she would know how much money I have sitting out there. Some things are better left alone.
He only wants to run 10.90s in a 2800lb car. Just about any Pontiac engine can be made to get that done.

Many good engine builds are just that second and third hand parts. If I was the OP I'd start looking for the deals and the "good honest sellers".they are out there especially this time of year.
My current shortblock was one of these deals...It would cost someone double what I paid for it..plus it was built well. A 7500 rpm capable 900 hp capable 466 assembled ,CP pistons,crower billet steel rods,program eng caps,chryo crank and meticulous assembly..