[The Boss]

To claim the Patriots are the only team that cheats and that is the only reason for their success is not only puerile but factually untrue.

You can continue as I expect you will, but it does not prove you are anything but inane.

[1965gp]

No one is saying they are the only team that cheats....

Other teams certainly do things... just not as often or not as visible. To convince anyone they don’t cheat (or do it less than other teams) is going to be very difficult.

And definitely not saying that is the reason for their success- quite the opposite. I am saying that you have the best QB ever, possibly one of the best coaches ever and none of this is needed.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by 1965gp

No one is saying they are the only team that cheats....

Other teams certainly do things... just not as often or not as visible. To convince anyone they don’t cheat (or do it less than other teams) is going to be very difficult.

And definitely not saying that is the reason for their success- quite the opposite. I am saying that you have the best QB ever, possibly one of the best coaches ever and none of this is needed.

Excellent point & I question that myself.

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by The Boss

To claim the Patriots are the only team that cheats and that is the only reason for their success is not only puerile but factually untrue.

You can continue as I expect you will, but it does not prove you are anything but inane.

If I am "insane", so are many other NFL followers that can see what Cheatriot fans refuse to.

And if you are going to resort to calling me "insane" that only proves that you are a Cheatriot nuthugger. I thought higher of you. I guess I am "insane".

[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by Chief of the 60's

If I am "insane", so are many other NFL followers that can see what Cheatriot fans refuse to.

And if you are going to resort to calling me "insane" that only proves that you are a Cheatriot nuthugger. I thought higher of you. I guess I am "insane".

http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/

The only people who are insane are the ones that live with their heads in the sand.

The reason why the Patriots are the Patriots are they have a coach that has attention to detail and a QB who still has that chip on his shoulder and all he wants to do is win. On flights home from away games he studies up on next weeks opponents.

If you haven't seen these you might want to watch them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdnWmKnUcWg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2mNuzsVt_w

[ta6point6]

I think Belichick is a good coach but without Brady the Pats would be the Jets probably worse. Brady is the best QB ever the guy has done more with less more then any other player. If any of the rumors are true and it comes down to Belichick or Brady, I would pick Brady every time even at 40 years old. Yes I admire and hate (more like strong dislike) Brady at the same time.

[Mr_GTO]

Originally Posted by ta6point6

I think Belichick is a good coach but without Brady the Pats would be the Jets probably worse. Brady is the best QB ever the guy has done more with less more then any other player. If any of the rumors are true and it comes down to Belichick or Brady, I would pick Brady every time even at 40 years old. Yes I admire and hate (more like strong dislike) Brady at the same time.

Without Brady at QB they are 14-6. Not too too shabby compared to what you see from most teams these days.