[War eagle]

Yes I have seen those pics in several period mags............all except the pyramid passenger side pic. Lots of speculation why it never showed up like the other pics in the other mags. (as far as my 20 some mags go). Could Wangers have seen the damning image and pulled it after it made the single mag? Possible he didn`t know about the 421 differences? Again....it seems odd that it never made another mag. Also the "secret" never revealed by anyone at Royal doing the work......for years! Talk about loyalty.

[John V.]

W.E., I'll pass on the reference material loan. I'm way behind on my current reading as it is!

Do you have the March C&D issue? Have you read the article written by Roger Proulx starting on page 70? I think it is informative.

I am convinced that the car JW encouraged him to drag race at Vets Ville Dragway in Toledo, the GTO that JW explained on a "drowsy afternoon in October" in Proulx' office had recently been tuned at Royal, was the same GTO that was driven to NYC in December to be tested over the course of 10 days by C&D staff and THEN driven by John Jerome with his young family from NYC to Daytona for the testing. Proulx describes how "his" GTO was equipped and the description matches the description of the Blue car that was tested at Daytona.

Since this conversation occurred in October and the Red car was built 11/2/63 per the Manifest, I conclude Proulx drag raced the same Blue car that went to Daytona. I don't buy the story that JW tells about the Blue car.

I was not there, JW was. JW says the Blue car did not have a 421. I say picture evidence shows a Blue car that did. Some may consider me out of line here, but some of what I have read or seen attributed to JW just doesn't fit the evidence. People forget and confuse events in their life. I know I have.

W.E., the 015 plate was a Manufacturer's tag IIRC. Those tags could get swapped around. The Blue car shows up in at least two mag articles with the HJ-4471 Michigan tag. I believe it was legitimately registered and tagged with that plate, not a Manufacturer's tag, and was only worn by that particular car.

I have not explored it, but I am not certain that the Red car was the same Red car that was tested in California. I would doubt it would be the same car, is there evidence that it is?

Everybody is welcome to believe what they want here and hold their own opinions. Much of the evidence is circumstantial, so it isn't like the facts are indisputable. I am still interested in learning more about the Blue car if more is to be learned. I am convinced that C&D gushed over the Blue car. Only John Jerome and David E. Davis, Jr. spent any time with the Red car in the few days they were with it in Daytona. They and the rest of the C&D staff piled up over 3000 miles driving the Blue car in NYC and all but one staff member loved it. All told, the Blue car was in their possession about 2 weeks before it headed back to Michigan towing the Red car thru the New Year's Eve ice storm that hit the south on Dec. 31.

[Tenney]

Originally Posted by John V.

Only John Jerome and David E. Davis, Jr. spent any time with the Red car in the few days they were with it in Daytona.

Time spent generating the road test #'s, per Jim and Dave (unless they're lying or forgot?).

Roger Proulx was a copywriter at McManus who created this ad ...

[War eagle]

Originally Posted by John V.

W.E., I'll pass on the reference material loan. I'm way behind on my current reading as it is!

Do you have the March C&D issue? Have you read the article written by Roger Proulx starting on page 70? I think it is informative.

I am convinced that the car JW encouraged him to drag race at Vets Ville Dragway in Toledo, the GTO that JW explained on a "drowsy afternoon in October" in Proulx' office had recently been tuned at Royal, was the same GTO that was driven to NYC in December to be tested over the course of 10 days by C&D staff and THEN driven by John Jerome with his young family from NYC to Daytona for the testing. Proulx describes how "his" GTO was equipped and the description matches the description of the Blue car that was tested at Daytona.

Since this conversation occurred in October and the Red car was built 11/2/63 per the Manifest, I conclude Proulx drag raced the same Blue car that went to Daytona. I don't buy the story that JW tells about the Blue car.

I was not there, JW was. JW says the Blue car did not have a 421. I say picture evidence shows a Blue car that did. Some may consider me out of line here, but some of what I have read or seen attributed to JW just doesn't fit the evidence. People forget and confuse events in their life. I know I have.

W.E., the 015 plate was a Manufacturer's tag IIRC. Those tags could get swapped around. The Blue car shows up in at least two mag articles with the HJ-4471 Michigan tag. I believe it was legitimately registered and tagged with that plate, not a Manufacturer's tag, and was only worn by that particular car.

I have not explored it, but I am not certain that the Red car was the same Red car that was tested in California. I would doubt it would be the same car, is there evidence that it is?

Everybody is welcome to believe what they want here and hold their own opinions. Much of the evidence is circumstantial, so it isn't like the facts are indisputable. I am still interested in learning more about the Blue car if more is to be learned. I am convinced that C&D gushed over the Blue car. Only John Jerome and David E. Davis, Jr. spent any time with the Red car in the few days they were with it in Daytona. They and the rest of the C&D staff piled up over 3000 miles driving the Blue car in NYC and all but one staff member loved it. All told, the Blue car was in their possession about 2 weeks before it headed back to Michigan towing the Red car thru the New Year's Eve ice storm that hit the south on Dec. 31.

John there is no proof the June Car Life car is the Wangers red car, but no proof its not. I would like to know also. The picture showing the vac throttle and no pyramid (transfer lug as sometimes called) doesn`t mean that is the car being tested. Only the fact that it is red and is tested by Car Life staff, recording 99 mph in the 1/4 with Calif plates is interesting.

[Tenney]

Originally Posted by War eagle

John there is no proof the June Car Life car is the Wangers red car, but no proof its not. I would like to know also.

The Car Life car is a Hardtop. No post.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by Tenney

The Car Life car is a Hardtop. No post.

I disagree Tenny, Not True, Both cars are Post Cars. I am old and half blind but not totally blind and can still
recognize a couple of "Post Cars" when I see them in a picture.
See Pics Attached.

Tom V.