[Aaron Quinton]

Naw, Chief is just a DMFK street racer, he knows nothing. Do you really think the clowns here would know?

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

It’s more important that he said he’s running the CV-1 heads when he gets them, now the haters can stop hating! He is stepping up!
So someone owes someone $50! LOL!


GTO George

[Aaron Quinton]

Yep, history setting your opinion. And once any head does well, you'll be the first nut swinger. LOL

Chief, a third nut is coming.

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Currently, calling the CV-1 a better head than the E head is debatable at best. Until someone makes more power than Mike did NA or Rodney Butler has with his Wide Port twin turbo its kind of hard to do.
In that old closed thread about Bruce calling me out on the CV-1s is was stated that Mike did not switch in part that it was a lateral move, equal. And that guy knows his heads.
Not saying Chiefs new CVs won't make more power than his std E heads, they have 100 more CFM.
They have to be reliable, not burn plugs or crack seats ect. 40lbs of boost can make a small problem a big one real quick.
That will be the test, its a prove it world and Chiefs is a big money world com paired to us po folk.
He just moved up to #1 with a 350 E head, still..........

[Aaron Quinton]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

I will agree with you on that one. One doesn't work at one of the top 3 engine shops in the country for 6 years and not know what he is doing..
Sonny's has a lot of championships under their belt... a lot of which have been in the last 6 years.. Pontiac guys live in a small pond but there is a huge ocean out there they know nothing about...
The Pontiac head is not unique.. flow and acceleration are all the same no matter what the brand...
Questioning Bill's ability makes you look like a dumbass... just my opinion as I work with a car that swims in the ocean...

^^^Truth^^^

[Aaron Quinton]

We'll not let facts get in the way of opinion, conjecture and incompetence here sir. This is the Pontiac internet. EHTTFMF!

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Actually he ran .10-.15 quicker at around 100 lbs heavier with the cv-1 heads. That’s a big jump withs a set of heads!



GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

You missed on the decimal....

He’s missed a few decimals! LOL!


GTO George

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

What do you mean no one has "needed" it ? If its the best of the best there is always a need in racing.
I do not know of any "average" WP running faster. Put a high end set on and =.

BTW, what was his ci with the WP engine and what was it with his CV engine.
I have heard 474 and then 535 ci. True ?? You tell me.
If it is, there is your .01

Before the 535 and it's cv1's were built, he dyno tested a set of CV1's on the 474 against his GABY wideports. He made substantially more power, and that set the notion to build bigger and at Bill's suggestion, they chose a CNC port suitable for what he wanted.
There is a thread/post by Dick of the CV1's vs Gaby wideport. Look it up and read it instead of insinuating someone fibbed. Especially Dick or Bill or myself for that matter.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Before the 535 and it's cv1's were built, he dyno tested a set of CV1's on the 474 against his GABY wideports. He made substantially more power, and that set the notion to build bigger and at Bill's suggestion, they chose a CNC port suitable for what he wanted.
There is a thread/post by Dick of the CV1's vs Gaby wideport. Look it up and read it instead of insinuating someone fibbed. Especially Dick or Bill or myself for that matter.

Bruce, they were not his Gaby wide-port E heads compared to the CV1'S on the 474 dyno comparison you're talking about.

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Bruce, they were not his Gaby wide-port heads compared to the CV1'S on the 474 dyno comparison you're talking about.

Who's wideport was it then? I didn't memorize it. Std Butler wideport vs STD cv1?
Regardless the cv1 made more power.

[Slick]

Here is the link.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forum

Dick Fulton is an intelligent man, and an honest one.

The same cannot be said of the nattering nabobs of negativism and their incessant rant.

It's easy to see why so many supremely competent and smart guys no longer want any part of the a$$holes who infest every thread here.

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Slick

Here is the link.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forum

Dick Fulton is an intelligent man, and an honest one.

The same cannot be said of the nattering nabobs of negativism and their incessant rant.

It's easy to see why so many supremely competent and smart guys no longer want any part of the a$$holes who infest every thread here.

Link doesn't work ...
But dont hold back, tell us how you really feel...lol..

[Slick]

I'll get "band" if I do that.

Search CV-1 vs Wideport

Sorry, I'm on my cell.

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Slick

I'll get "band" if I do that.

Search CV-1 vs Wideport

Sorry, I'm on my cell.

No big deal..I was just teasing with ya... if I haven't gotten ban by now, you're good..lol
I get what you're saying though...

[Aaron Quinton]

Originally Posted by Slick

Here is the link.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forum

Dick Fulton is an intelligent man, and an honest one.

The same cannot be said of the nattering nabobs of negativism and their incessant rant.

It's easy to see why so many supremely competent and smart guys no longer want any part of the a$$holes who infest every thread here.

^^^^TRUTH^^^

[Aaron Quinton]

XBODYTTFMF!

Originally Posted by Slick

I'll get "band" if I do that.

Search CV-1 vs Wideport

Sorry, I'm on my cell.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

LOL you're an expert on the topic.

If you’re so smart why are you so slow?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Who's wideport was it then? I didn't memorize it. Std Butler wideport vs STD cv1?
Regardless the cv1 made more power.

It’s a canted valve head vs an inline head. It should!

But it’s not any better then a good set of E heads.


How does a car get #100 heavier from swapping heads?


For all the years they have been out there sure are not a lot of them out there racing.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Who's wideport was it then? I didn't memorize it. Std Butler wideport vs STD cv1?
Regardless the cv1 made more power.

87 cc E-head converted by Butler to their CNC wideport and then touched up by Knowlton.... starting out life as an 87 cc head, definitely would've held them back a few horsepower compared to a 72cc head. Interesting read though. I believe all involved tried their best.

[Aaron Quinton]

How slow am I? Come over and find out. The contact info is out there. My phone has still not buzzed.

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

If you’re so smart why are you so slow?

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

How slow am I? Come over and find out. The contact info is out there. My phone has still not buzzed.

I already tried that! With your bassackwards way of setting up a race and your bargain rates, I'd highly recommend for you not to hold your breath waiting for the phone to ring.

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

87 cc E-head converted by Butler to their CNC wideport and then touched up by Knowlton.... starting out life as an 87 cc head, definitely would've held them back a few horsepower compared to a 72cc head. Interesting read though. I believe all involved tried their best.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...light=wideport

For those who want to read about it. ^^^^^^