[64speed]

Originally Posted by 242177P

Your father in-law bought Global West control arms, but you bought the Chinese knockoffs for $1000 less on eBay. Dont get me wrong, I still remember Pro Comp. I'm just trying to understand this post as it really is quite contradictory.

1200 is a big number for things like springs retainers and valves. I actually looked at the parts side by side. Ascertained on my own volition that there was no way these things were coming from two different places and made my decision! The knockoffs took global west alignment specs. At best these heads are cast in China where as we know where Edelbrock is cast

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by 64speed

1200 is a big number for things like springs retainers and valves. I actually looked at the parts side by side. Ascertained on my own volition that there was no way these things were coming from two different places and made my decision! The knockoffs took global west alignment specs. At best these heads are cast in China where as we know where Edelbrock is cast

I did not know Edelbrock was cast in China. When did that start ?
I guess nothing is sacred anymore. F the Chi Coms.
Craftsman tools used to be the cheap US made hand tools. Not they come from China too. I would rather buy from Taiwan, at least they are free.

[242177P]

Originally Posted by 64speed

1200 is a big number for things like springs retainers and valves. I actually looked at the parts side by side. Ascertained on my own volition that there was no way these things were coming from two different places and made my decision! The knockoffs took global west alignment specs. At best these heads are cast in China where as we know where Edelbrock is cast

Umm, OK? 1000 is a big number for bushings and balljoints. As for the knockoffs taking GW alignment specs, well, I had to look that one up. You actually bought copies of their control arms, and then you contacted Global West for support? You bought your Chinese parts because you could save some coin, so stop being judgemental and let GZR do his thing.

[pmd400]

The problems I have with these heads is that the edelbrock bare heads are only $130 more.
The assembled speedmaster heads for 440 mopar and 455 oldsmobile are close to 40% cheaper then the pontiac heads. Why?

[GoatZillaRacing]

Originally Posted by pmd400

The problems I have with these heads is that the edelbrock bare heads are only $130 more.
The assembled speedmaster heads for 440 mopar and 455 oldsmobile are close to 40% cheaper then the pontiac heads. Why?

Bare Edelbrocks with UNFINISHED Chambers are $1627.90 at Summit. Ours are $1549 with CNC Chambers so it's a little less than you thought, BUT what's it going to cost to get the chambers CNCed?

[pmd400]

Originally Posted by GoatZillaRacing

Bare Edelbrocks with UNFINISHED Chambers are $1627.90 at Summit. Ours are $1549 with CNC Chambers so it's a little less than you thought, BUT what's it going to cost to get the chambers CNCed?

How much advantage is there between cnc and as cast chambers for the average street guy? Bare Oldsmobile speedmaster heads are $760 a pair at jegs. Less than half the price of the speedmaster pontiac heads. The olds chambers don't look to be cnc machined.

[GoatZillaRacing]

Originally Posted by pmd400

How much advantage is there between cnc and as cast chambers for the average street guy? Bare Oldsmobile speedmaster heads are $760 a pair at jegs. Less than half the price of the speedmaster pontiac heads. The olds chambers don't look to be cnc machined.

You have to wonder if there are really that many more Olds engines in use or if MAYBE the Olds people just buy that much more than the Pontiac people.

Companies have to see a ROI and if after investing $250K to bring a product to market, it's simple math. $250K divided by X amount of sales = a profit in how many years? If it's a low volume deal, the price has to be higher to recover the investment.

Are there that many boats (not BIG cars, actual boats on the water) running Olds engines that it could justify the low price?

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by GoatZillaRacing

You have to wonder if there are really that many more Olds engines in use or if MAYBE the Olds people just buy that much more than the Pontiac people.

Companies have to see a ROI and if after investing $250K to bring a product to market, it's simple math. $250K divided by X amount of sales = a profit in how many years? If it's a low volume deal, the price has to be higher to recover the investment.

Are there that many boats (not BIG cars, actual boats on the water) running Olds engines that it could justify the low price?

I move around in the Oldsmobile circles as well, from my long friendship with Joe Mondello. (RIP) From my experience, the Oldsmobile hobby/racing enthusiasts are about 15-20% the size of the Pontiac community and I am probably being generous. That said, I honestly have no explanation why the Edelbrock and Speedmaster offerings would be so much less expensive than the Pontiac stuff. Other than when an Oldsmobile enthusiast opens his wallet it squeaks and dust comes out! They are the tightest of the tightest when it comes to spending money on their engines. There are of course a few exceptions, the fast ones! Possibly the vendors realized if they didn't lower the prices, they wouldn't sell any at all.

[GoatZillaRacing]

Originally Posted by GoatZillaRacing

Bare Edelbrocks with UNFINISHED Chambers are $1627.90 at Summit. Ours are $1549 with CNC Chambers so it's a little less than you thought, BUT what's it going to cost to get the chambers CNCed?

I need to correct myself. These $1627.90 Edelbrock heads are semi finished. So the correct BARE Edelbrock 72cc heads are P/N 60589 with AS CAST Chambers and a price at both Summit and Jegs of $1893 a pair. Then you need to have the chambers CNCed but you'll never get the 72cc CNCed Fast Burn Heart Shaped chamber when it's already cast at 72cc with the wrong shape.

Either way, the price difference in BARE heads is $344 plus the chamber work.

[64speed]

Originally Posted by 242177P

Umm, OK? 1000 is a big number for bushings and balljoints. As for the knockoffs taking GW alignment specs, well, I had to look that one up. You actually bought copies of their control arms, and then you contacted Global West for support? You bought your Chinese parts because you could save some coin, so stop being judgemental and let GZR do his thing.

Like someone else pointed out it needs more evaluation.